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Hello,
I need some information on GRAHAM HUNTER PIERCE who was born 1849 in Southwark and died in 1911 Sydney, Aus. He married Mercy Burnet (not sure if this is a surname or middle name) and they had a daughter, Emily , who died in 1918 Sydney. Thanks!
Anna Edwards
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Hi Anna
Found this death on NSW bdms here
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/searchHistoricalRecords.htm
1966
Graham Hunter Pierce
Father - Graham Hunter
Mother - Mercy Burnet
District - St Leonards
Reg No - 16940/1966
Troods
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Hi Anna,
The NSW BDM online index shows
14062/1918 Emily M READ, father's given name/s Graham H, mother's given names Mercy B, registered in the Sydney District.
I guess that "Burnet" would be Mercy's middle name, but the transcript of that record would give you a fuller picture.
Transcription agents (much cheaper than ordering the certificate, transcripts can be sent by email) http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,300394.0.html
What to expect to find on the certificate/full transcript http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/certificateDatesAndContent.htm
Cheers, JM
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His death certificate should show his wife's full name and their place of marriage
4272/1911
PIERCE Graham H
Father John Mother Margaret
District Sydney
Cando
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There is a death notice here for Graham Hunter Pierce who died 1966.
http://ryersonindex.net/search.php
Troods
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Hi
Our National Archives website has an enlistment record of interest.
It is for a man names GEORGE CONSTANTINE PIERCE, letter carrier born in Sydney about 1898.
His father GRAHAM HUNTER PIERCE is his next of kin and he lives at TURRAMURRA.
Because he is underage his parents signatures are required and his mother signs as BERTHA G (GEORGINA) PIERCE.
Later in the file, in 1917, GEORGE confesses to using an assumed name and his real surname is MASTERS.
Asworn declaration by his father GRAHAM HUNTER PIERCE refers to his son and is dated 31/7/1917.
This is the death you refer to above.
In 1911 PIERCE, GRAHAM H. father JOHN mother MARGARET SYDNEYref. 4272
Their marriage
In 1908. GRAHAM H . PIERCE to BERTHA G. MASTERS ref. 3550
Death of BERTHA
1950 PIERCE, BERTHA GEORGINA (STRINGFELLOW)aged 71 YRS WAHROONGAat CHATSWOOD ref. 18394
Sue
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There are a couple of entries in the Sands Directories(Sydney & NSW) for the years 1894, 1908,1909 & 1910 for a Graham H Pierce. Nothing definite though. I can post them if you want to check them out.
Troods
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Wow good piece of sleuthing Sue - so it looks like the Graham H Pierce who died in 1911 Sydney was married to Bertha G Masters in 1908.
Am I right in assuming this or have I missed something lol - easy for me to do today. lol
Ok I wonder where Mary Burnet fits into the picture.
Interesting for sure
Troods
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Hi All,
I've NOT found Graham Hunter Pierce in Sydney NSW on the 1903 Electoral Roll in the electorates that I've checked. (I don't have keyword searchable access). Presume that's why Troods has noticed a gap in the Sands directories .... Could he have been in regional NSW, or inter-state or 'overseas'
Intriguing ;D
There are a couple of entries in the Sands Directories(Sydney & NSW) for the years 1894, 1908,1909 & 1910 for a Graham H Pierce. Nothing definite though. I can post them if you want to check them out.
Troods
Pierce/Masters, Well Found SUE :D
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Hi
Our National Archives website has an enlistment record of interest.
It is for a man names GEORGE CONSTANTINE PIERCE, letter carrier born in Sydney about 1898.
His father GRAHAM HUNTER PIERCE is his next of kin and he lives at TURRAMURRA.
Because he is underage his parents signatures are required and his mother signs as BERTHA G (GEORGINA) PIERCE.
Later in the file, in 1917, GEORGE confesses to using an assumed name and his real surname is MASTERS.
Asworn declaration by his father GRAHAM HUNTER PIERCE refers to his son and is dated 31/7/1917.
This is the death you refer to above.
In 1911 PIERCE, GRAHAM H. father JOHN mother MARGARET SYDNEYref. 4272
Their marriage
In 1908. GRAHAM H . PIERCE to BERTHA G. MASTERS ref. 3550
Death of BERTHA
1950 PIERCE, BERTHA GEORGINA (STRINGFELLOW)aged 71 YRS WAHROONGAat CHATSWOOD ref. 18394
Sue
Is this his birth :-\
18673/1900
MASTERS George C
Father George Mother Bertha
District Sydney
and a sibling
28866/1902
MASTERS Olga R
Father George Mother Bertha
District Sydney
There are a couple of deaths for a George MASTERS in the first couple of years of 1900's.
Cheers
Cando
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Death of BERTHA
1950 PIERCE, BERTHA GEORGINA (STRINGFELLOW)aged 71 YRS WAHROONGAat CHATSWOOD ref. 18394
Sue
A possible birth :-\ :-\ as there also a marriage in 1897 to a MURPHY
Births Jun 1879
STRINGFELLOW Bertha Ecclesall B 9c/354
Cando
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Hi All,
I've NOT found Graham Hunter Pierce in Sydney NSW on the 1903 Electoral Roll in the electorates that I've checked. (I don't have keyword searchable access). Presume that's why Troods has noticed a gap in the Sands directories .... Could he have been in regional NSW, or inter-state or 'overseas'
Intriguing ;D
He does not appear on my NSW 1903 electoral roll at all.
Cando
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Australian Electoral Roll
1954 NSW
MASTERS George Constantine Pacific Highway Kanwal Farmer
MASTERS Marguerite Valinda Jane Pacific Highway Kanwal HD
and his death
00469/1975
MASTERS George Constantine
Father George Mother Bertha Georgina
No district noted.
So he was using the surname PIERCE when he was born a MASTERS but his mother was Bertha Georgina STRINGFELLOW who married a MASTERS and and then George Hunter PIERCE.
Hello,
I need some information on GRAHAM HUNTER PIERCE who was born 1849 in Southwark and died in 1911 Sydney, Aus. He married Mercy Burnet (not sure if this is a surname or middle name) and they had a daughter, Emily , who died in 1918 Sydney. Thanks!
Anna Edwards
Perhaps Emily was born post 1909 limit of online birth registrations. Perhaps someone with the later births could do a lookup. Do you have Emily's year of birth?
Cando
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PIERCE Graham Hunter with parents John and Margaret Ann was baptised 5 Jan 1849.
Cando
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Some mentions in the NLA digitised newspapers:
SMH 3 June 1911
funeral notice for Graham Hunter PIERCE, mentions wife Frances PIERCE (and children but no names of children), burial Waverley Cemetery
4 Sep 1950
Death notice for Bertha Georgina PIERCE, wife of Graham (Dick) Hunter Pierce, mother of George, Olga, Graham, Alma, Len, John and Roy aged 71 years. (There are others with grandchildren and great g-children named). Funeral notice says funeral was to Northern Suburbs Crematorium.
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home
heers, Judith
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Perhaps Emily was born post 1909 limit of online birth registrations. Perhaps someone with the later births could do a lookup. Do you have Emily's year of birth?
Cando
Nothing for Emily born 1910 to 1918.
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We do not have GRAHAM HUNTER PIERCE snr's death registration clearly yet.
He could not have died in 1911 if he is signing sworn things in 1917 which refer to monetory installments due to his wife BERTHA from the Army. You can't forge things like that (or can you? ???)
Sue
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SMH 3 June 1911
funeral notice for Graham Hunter PIERCE, mentions wife Frances PIERCE (and children but no names of children), burial Waverley Cemetery
Marriage
6613/1896
PIERCE Graham H
MCGILL Frances A P
MI's only - Waverley Cemetery Anglican Section 20, Row 23 Grave#5940
PIERCE Graham H 1 Jun 1911 64 years Our father [b.c1847]
READ? Emily Margaret 11 Oct 19?? 47 years Wife of Frank H READ
Cando
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So there are two George Hunter PIERCEs. (Sorry trying to get this clear in my own mind - not easy :-[)
GHP1
b 1846 Camberwell Uk
d 1911 Sydney, wife given in SMH notice as Frances
Marriage:
1896 Graham H PIERCE = Frances A P MCGILL (also indexed as MACGILL) #6613
I cannot see a death or a marriage involving a Mercy Burnet (other than those where she is already mentioned in earlier posts as the mother). No PIERCE births with a Mercy as mother's name. ???
GHP2 married Bertha MASTERS 1908. I assume he would be the one died 1966. Bertha already had a child George Constantine MASTERS who later used the surname PIERCE. Thus GHP2 would be the chap who signed the Army record as father of Bertha's son George.
Judith
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Re Emily's birth (1918 minus 47) approx 1870 - 1872. Could she be UK born?
Graham Hunter Pierce birth 27th (not sure of the 7) July 1846 and baptism 5 Jan 1849 at St George, Camberwell, Southwark, Middlesex England . I'm attaching a snip as I'm not sure of the street name or the occupation of his Dad, for anyone looking 1851,1861, 1871 etc
Cheers, JM
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Some more from NLA digi papers
SMH 12 Oct 1918
Emily Margaret READ has funeral notices saying she is 'beloved wife of Mr F R READ', 'beloved sister of Mr and Mrs J R COCKBAINE and Mr and Mrs G H PIERCE'. Burial at Waverley cememtery.
Death notice: 11 October at private hospital, wife of F R READ.
Cheers, Judith
Reply to JM - I think it's Albany Road and Railway Clerk (very early for Railway clerks though ???)
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Ta Judith,
I think the enumerator in 1851 has the family as Peirce ! and his Dad was a Railway employee, and they had a visitor, surname HUNTER, also GHP had siblings etc
10 West Terrace, Bermondsey, Surrey ;)
JM ;)
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Here's Graham (b 1846) in 1851:
1851 census: HO107/1561/32/57
10 West Terrace, Bermondsey, Surrey
John PEIRCE Head Mar 39 R'way supert clerk Lancashire Liverpool
Margaret A do Wife Mar 37 Cheshire Frodsham
Emily L do Daur 7 Scholar Surrey Camberwell
Graham H do Son 4 Surrey Camberwell
Walter L do Son 2 Surrey Camberwell
Alice M do Daur 4mo Surrey Bermondsey
Maria LAMBERT M-in-law Wid 63 Fundholder Lancashire Liverpool
Thomas HUNTER Visitor U 57 Half-pay Captain (Army) Lancashire L'pool
+ 2 Servants
ETA: The family was in Greenwich in 1861 (as PIERCE), dad John now a medical agent and 14 yr old Graham's occupation "clerk to father": RG9/399/134/29.
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PIERCE Graham Hunter with parents John and Margaret Ann was baptised 5 Jan 1849
Cando
I apologise for not detailing all the information from the baptism of Graham Hunter in 1849....my help was required outside. Work interrupts our hobbies ::).
I note an elder sister Emily on the census but can't find a marriage in UK or NSW.
Cando
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If there is an obituary for Frank, it may be helpful.
16474/1965
READ Frank Herman
Father Frank Herman Mother Emily
District Gosford
Another thread on Frank
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,450533.0.html
Cando
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I note an elder sister Emily on the census but is it possible that Emily is a sister to Mrs G H PIERCE :-\
Hi Cando, I think the Emily Read wife of Frank Herman Read would be a neice of the Emily Pierce who was older sister of the Graham Hunter Pierce with both GHP and EP as siblings on that 1851 census. Think this because of the MI's you found at Waverley Cemetery.
It is possible that Graham Hunter Pierce 1846-1911 had a son who carried same name. And Anna's opening remarks notes has him the 1846-1911 chap with a daughter named Emily, so perhaps that daughter was named after that elder sister ;)
Cheers, JM (sympathising with Cando as work intrudes on hobbies ;) )
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Hi there,
I've just been looking online at NZ papers past, legal proceedings in Carlton Court ...Graham H Pierce, child adopted, East Melbourne BDM registrar mentioned ... not sure if this cutting is for Graham Hunter Pierce...
http://www.rootschat.com/links/08gf/ Timaru Herald, Volume LV, Issue 5532, 7 October 1892, Page 3
JM
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Wow I just popped my head back on this thread holy cow - what a wealth of info you peeps have collected.
So there were 2 Graham Hunter Pierces. Absolutely amazing that 2 people with an unusual name like his to be in NSW.
Great work
Troods :) :) :) :) :)
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Hi troods,
Won't Anna be surprised when she checks her posts ... two threads and full of info for her to consider ;)
Cheers, JM
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Hi there,
I've just been looking online at NZ papers past, legal proceedings in Carlton Court ...Graham H Pierce, child adopted, East Melbourne BDM registrar mentioned ... not sure if this cutting is for Graham Hunter Pierce...
http://www.rootschat.com/links/08gf/ Timaru Herald, Volume LV, Issue 5532, 7 October 1892, Page 3
JM
I had dismissed this earlier as I couldn't find a marriage.
PIERCE John William Henry
Father Graham Hunter Mother Emily Violet SCULTHORPE
At Melbourne East 1889 Reg#32991
However the woman referred to in the news item is Emily Violet WINN
and a marriage in Sydney :-\
1390/1885
WINN Rowland A
SCULTHORPE Emily E [not V however]
District Sydney
and another link to NZ from the READ thread -
Marriage in Victoria
READ Frank Hermann b. London
PIERCE Emily Margaret b. New Zealand - cannot find a birth though
1891 Reg#8520[quote/] Cando
Cando
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BINGO!!
In New Zealand
1871/5652
PIERCE Graham Hunter
PEACH Mercy
and according to the MI Emily Margaret was born c.1871 and her marriage registration states b. New Zealand.
Cando
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More NZ Bingo
1876/4214
1876 birth Maria Alice PIERCE to Graham Hunter and Mercy Burnett
BINGO!!
In New Zealand
1871/5652
PIERCE Graham Hunter
PEACH Mercy
and according to the MI Emily Margaret was born c.1871 and her marriage registration states b. New Zealand.
Cando
So, Burnett was Mercy's middle name ;)
JM
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The court case was in Carlton, Victoria
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/8459575?searchTerm=emily+violet+winn
Cando
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:o
I wonder what happened to the child??
Judith
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PIERCE John William Henry
Father Graham Hunter Mother Emily Violet SCULTHORPE
At Melbourne East 1889 Reg#32991
Sorry for my ignorance of Australian records, but is this a birth or a death? if a birth it looks as though they had a child 2 yrs after the "adoption" scandal and gave him the same names in a different order (or have I misinterpreted it?)
Ignore me - have now re-read the adoption story and it was 1889, not 1887 as I first thought - this must be the fraudulent birth registration.
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Hi annabananae :)
I have noticed that there are many requests for assistance and as there is rarely a response from you, we are not to know whether or not you have read the information. Even if the information is not useful an acknowledgment would be appreciated. So many threads are simply information supplied and no response. You have been logged onto today [2hours ago]and it would have been nice to have some feedback on this thread and the READ one.
Did you know that if you click onto Show new replies to your posts. at the top of the page, it will bring up all your posts where there have been new replies.
Top of the your page -
Welcome back, annabananae, you have 0 message, 0 are new.
Show unread posts since last visit.
Show new replies to your posts.
Cheers :)
Cando
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Thanks everyone,
I wasn't sure whether I could respond to the different threads. Sorry! I really am grateful for all of your help. So it seems that Graham Hunter Pierce is quite a difficult man to research. Was he married to Mercy Burnett Pierce or Frances? Which one? And where does Emily fit in? How can this puzzle be sorted out? But thankyou everyone for your help and support. Really appreciated! :)
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No puzzle ;D I suggest you read the complete thread.
He was married to both - possibly third if a marriage can be found to Emily Violet WINN.
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/8459575?searchTerm=emily+violet+winn
In New Zealand
1871/5652
PIERCE Graham Hunter
PEACH Mercy
and according to the MI Emily Margaret was born c.1871 and her marriage registration states b. New Zealand.
Cando
Marriage
6613/1896
PIERCE Graham H
MCGILL Frances A P
Cando
Cando
Edit to amend info
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I have Graham Hunter PIERCE born 27 July 1846 Camberwell London, travelled to New Zealand 1867 and married Mercy Peach 1871. They had 3 children Emily Margaret 1871, Graham Hunter 1874 and Maria Alice 1876 all born in New Zealand. Mercy died 1882 in New Zealand. I don't know what happened to Graham and family after that. Any help would be appreciated
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Hi sheilachez,
I am assuming you have read each page of the thread to which your own note is attached.
If so, you will see there is a lot of information about the chap you are seeking.
The thread reveals there were two men of the name, one connected to you and one not.
What in particular were you wanting to find?
Sue