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Hi,
I am trying to trace info about relatives who departed for Australia from Liverpool in 1857 (mid- year I assume as they docked in Victoria in Dec. 1857) on the "Lillies"
We have quite a bit of info since their arrival but was wondering if anyone knows did shipping companies keep records of unassisted immigrants at that time that would note their address prior to departure.
Thank you
Murphy girl.
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You would have to look at the actual fiche of the passenger list to see if it contains any additional info;
http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search_results.asp
Have you followed up Margaret who I presume was Maurices Sister?
Her Marriage /Death Cert may have info on their Parents.
There is a 28 year old Maurice Murphy in the Army in Chatham , Kent, on the 1851 Census. He was born Dunncallough, Limerick, Ieland
HO107/1611/409/22
Do you know if Maurice and Ellen married in Ireland or England?
Was Maurice Jnr born c 1851 born in Ireland?
Trish :)
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As far as I am aware outward passenger lists from the UK prior to 1890 have been destroyed.
LILLIES was owned by a Canadian merchant so I think the chance of the owners keeping a record would be slim.
I have all the details on the vessel if you require them. It would seem there is a crew agreement and logbook covering the voyage in question but again I would doubt it would contain much about your relatives unless one of them died whilst onboard.
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Hi Murphy girl,
Maybe if you posted some details about your rellies, names ages etc rootschatters might be able to help trace them before departure :)
Its amazing what the people on this forum can do!
Regards
Leandra
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Hi Murphy Girl
We are from the same family of John Blaney & Mary Murphy. They were my GGGG grandparents. I have only started recently researching our family history of the Blaney Murphys from Ireland to Australia. I have followed all of your links which gave me heaps of info thanks.
I gather you have seen this site: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SHOW&db=fernery&surname=Blaney%2C+John
I was wondering if you have had any luck in going back even further from John & Mary? It seems that records were ruined around that time. I thought there may have been some info on Maurice's birth certificate about them.
Would be interested to have a chat with you.
Cheers
Nicnot :D
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Hi Nicnot,
Great to read your message and it would appear that maybe you have gone back one more generation than I have as I have been unable to locate the birth certificate of Maurice Blaney Murphy, only know he was born in Mt. Plummer from information on of his children's birth certificates.
Do you have any details about John Blaney or Mary Murphy such as marriage date, place of birth etc and if so would you be able to advise them to me.
Through what line in the family are you related to John Blaney & Mary Murphy?l
Yes, I have seen the link on Ancestry and it does have quite a great deal of information and I think we ( the family researchers) have found some more since this site was updated last.
Look forward to hearing from you.
Kind regards,
Murphy girl.
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Hi Murphy Girl,
No I have nothing of note at this stage although my Aunty has been researching too so she may have more. Will let you know if anything comes to hand.
I am along the line of Maurice, then John, then John and my grandfather was Gerald (5th generation). It is almost addictive once you get a taste for history!
Cheers
Nicnot
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Hi Murphy Girl,
Online list of passengers on board the "Lillies" various voyages on the Public Record Office Victoria:
Just type in either the Passengers Surname or the Ship.
http://www.prov.vic.gov.au/indexes/index_search.asp?searchid=23
Cheers,
Janet.
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Hi Janet666,
Thanks for the info re the shipping lists, we have located the family's arrival in Australia in 1857 on same but it does not mention anything about where they lived prior to "setting sail" and this is what I am trying to find out.
Kind Regards,
Murphy girl.
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I am very interested in 'Lillies' and have spent some time loooking into its history. One of my ancestors, Thomas Brown worked on the ship and his son, Pacific, was born on board during the 1857 voyage.
I read with interest the comments by 'Seaweed'.
I know that Lillies was built for Hon. Alexander McLauchlan Seely of Saint John, New Brunswick, and was named after Seely's wife, Lillies Ann Hammond (originally of Charleston, Mass., USA). The ship was built by Alexander Sime, who emigrated from Aberdeen, Scotland, to New Brunswick in 1811, and eventually ended up constructing ships at Pleasant Point, opposite Indiantown (now part of Saint John). In October 1863, Lillies was wrecked in Morecambe Bay. The Captain, William Fell Bell, was rescued but died from his injuries several months later.
THE INFORMATION ABOUT "LILLIES" IN THE PREVIOUS PARAGRAPH WAS PROVIDED BY THE ARCHIVES & RESEARCH LIBRARY, NEW BRUNSWICK MUSEUM, SAINT JOHN, NEW BRUNSWICK.
Captain Bell was the person who signed the report of my ancestor's birth onboard Lillies.
Does 'Seaweed' have an image of the ship? That would be a really good addition to my family document!
David
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Hi,
Thanks for the info re the "Lillies" and as far as I know Seaweed does not have a photo of same as he did not indicate that he did, have you tried contacting him to find out ?. I would be interested in his reply.
The details you advised re her construction all add to the story of my family who emigrated on the 1857 voyage.
Just as an aside, my great great grandmother who sailed on that voyage had the maiden name of BROWN, do you have any Brown's in your family that came from Newcastle in Ireland? Her father's name was Patrick Brown and he was a weaver.
Kind regards,
Murphy Girl.
Kind
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Hi Murphy Girl,
I just wanted to mention that you should check the "Victoria Pioneer Index" which has B/M/Ds for 1836 - 1888, if you haven't already. You'll have to Google it to see where you can access it.
I was lucky enough to access it when it was on line for a short time back in the 1990's. I had a 30 year brick wall , trying to discover the maiden name of my GR GR GR Grandmother from Ireland. On this index I found their son's death, and low and behold, the maiden name of his mother.
I live in Saint John,NB. Who would've thought I could find my answer in Australia ( after 30 years of searching).
Anyway, just wanted to point that source out in case you haven't seen it yet.
Good luck,
Suzanne Carter
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Dear Murphy Girl,
As far as I know, we have/had no family in Ireland - although 'Brown' is not the most unusual of names and my ancestors did get about quite a bit! Most of my lot are from Bangor [the one in north Wales], Wirral or Liverpool.
I'm not sure how much background you want about 'Lillies'. I have a little more if you would like it and more about the Captain on the 1857 journey. If this is of interest, I will post it to this site.
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Hi David,
Thanks for the offer of more info but we have been able to locate some details of the voyage/arrival from articles in the Argus via a website called TROVE which has a lot of the old Australian Newspapers on it, actually if you have never looked at it it is a fascinating site.
As a matter of fact we have gleaned a lot about our family since they arrived in Australia from items in the newspaper.
By all means if you want to post what you have please do so, will leave that decision up to you as if you have a lot it may take you some time.
Shame about your Browns not being related, it was a long shot but worth asking the question anyway. Good luck with your continued searching.
Kind regards,
Murphy Girl.
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Hi seaweed and DavidArtShed,
My interest in the Lillies is because my 3rd great grandmother was on the maiden voyage in 1855 from St. Johns, New Brunswick to Liverpool, England. It was a particularly rough trip so my ancestor wrote a poem about the trip. You can see the poem here:
http://scholtz.org/bill/stansas/stansas.htm
The ship was badly damaged and one of the crew was washed overboard.
seaweed,
Would you have any record of this trip?
DavidArtShed,
was your ancestor on the crew for this trip?
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Good to hear from 'gurd'. The poem is fascinating.
My interest in 'Lillies' is because my great great grandfather, Thomas Brown [b. 1817], was a Steward on the ship and, on 24 February 1857, his son, Pacific Brown, was born on board during, I believe, a journey to Australia. Interesting that the wife of the Captain/Master, William Fell Bell, also gave birth to their daughter on board the ship and they named her 'Lillies'.
If your ancestor was on the maiden voyage, it seems likely that Thomas was among the crew at the time. It's a small world!
Later, Thomas settled in Liverpool and Pacific in Bangor, North Wales.
David
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Thanks David,
Have you been in contact with The New Brunswick Museum? Do you think they would have logbooks from that first crossing? I'd love to find out more about the trip.
The back of the poem has some signatures on it. Unfortunately they are in pencil and are very hard to see. I don't know if they are passengers or crew or both. I have looked over them very carefully but can't find the Thomas Brown.
I've posted the signatures if you want to take a look at them.
http://scholtz.org/bill/stansas/tmp/
Bill