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Does anyone have access to the Parish Records for Heptonstall and/or Todmorden, from the 1760's through the early1800's? I have a problem family of Illingworth's that I need to connect up, due to conflicting birth dates for the parents etc.,
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I can't help with your request but you may like to subscribe to Rootsweb mailing list for Todmorden.
http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-TODMORDEN.html
If you also search their archive there is a message from a Trevor Illingworth
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 12:32:31 -0000
From: "The Illingworths" <drummoyne@manx.net>
To: ENG-TODMORDEN-L@rootsweb.com
Message-ID: <000001c4e4fd$a5d253e0$d10989d5@tinyypiahozo>
Subject: Phineas Illingworth
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I am researching my ancestor Phineas Illingworth born in Todmorden in
the range 1860 to 1880. He was married to Betty and they has a son John
on 5th March 1805 in Heptonstall.
Can anybody help me establish Betty's surname and if there were any
other children.
Thanks
Trevor Illingworth
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I hope this helps.
dinkey
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If the records are in Halfax Library in the Archives I am willing to do a lookup.
It would help me if you would email them to see if they have the records you need. And then let me have the details to narrow it down a bit.
Calderdale Archives at Halifax Library;
telephone 01422 392636, fax 01422 341083 or e-mail: calderdale@wyjs.org.uk
Lyn
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Hi Lyn,
Thank you, I will contact them after the Easter weekend and let you know what they say.
Jackie S Brooks :)
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A PS for Dinkey,
The message you posted from Trevor Illingworth - what a coincidence, it is Phineas I am after too, Trevor is a possible cousin, strangely enough I have just recently found a 'fourth' cousin, also called Trevor Illingworth, and all three of us are trying to find out if our respective Phineas's are one and the same. There is a discrepancy in dates, approx. 15 years, but too many coincidences!!
Jackie S Brooks :)
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Well what a turnup.
Hope you are successful in claiming Phineas as yours. Like you say with so many coincidences there has to be a link for you.
Glad to be of help.
dinkey
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Message for Lyn, (lynWings)
Hi Lyn, I have been in touch with Halifax Archives, and they do have the Parish Registers for Heptonstall and Todmorden.
My problem is one of duplication, in more ways than one! Firstly I am in contact with two separate Paul Trevor Illingworths, one is a fourth cousin, the other may be a cousin! We are all trying to pull together information on a Phineas Illingworth.
Cousin Paul (#1) and I have a Phineas, born c1762, died 1837. His parents were William Illingworth and Martha Wilkinson. This Phineas married a Betty Booth, date unknown, and according to our information they had a son William, born 18 November 1802 in Todmorden, and a daughter Sarah, born 7 July 1807, Heptonstall. Rather late, but not impossible.
Paul (#2) has a Phineas born 1777, Todmorden, Heptonstall, no parent listed, married in 1801, Heptonstall, to a Betty, born c1780, and they had a son John, born 5 March 1805, Heptonstall.
It seems to us that the children being born close together, John between the other two, and in the same area, that we suspect the two Phineas's are one and the same, but we do need verification.
I hope this is all clear enough. If you need any more info or clarification, email me at: selbybrooks@yahoo.com
Thank you for your offer to help. Jackie
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Hi Jackie,
No luck I'm afraid.
I searched the film of Parish Registers of Births Marriages and Burials in Heptonstall and Cross Stone, unfortunately the births pages for the early 1760's were not there - it said something about binding being too tight on the book. Other pages on the film were so faded or illegible that I did not find any Illingworths or Booths. The marriage section was easier to read but again no matches for the late 1700's and early 1800's. I looked for Phineas's children too. I also looked on the Parish Registers of Christ Church and St Mary's in Todmorden which were much easier to read - obviously preserved better - but again no luck.
I was so disappointed not to have found anything at all.
Anyway I've just been on Rootsweb and found this link which is very interesting, I'm not sure if you have tried it already but there is someone on there who has done some transcribing and is willing to share his data. Not sure if he will have any more I assume his data will have come from film too.
Just read this bit;
It should be noted that St. Paul's at Cross Stone was not licensed for marriages until July 1837, although 63 marriages were recorded immediately prior to 1754. People from Langfield and Stansfield would be expected to marry at Heptonstall
so the marriage was likely to have been Heptonstall. I don't know about non conformist marriages - I haven't been doing this family history long enough to know about those records!
http://www.todmordenandwalsden.co.uk/
Anyway if I can be of any more help please let me know. I find this hobby fascinating and will let you know if I pick anything else up re Phineas.
Best of luck with the search,
Lyn
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Sorry can't help but have you had a look at the following site
http://www.hebdenbridgehistory.org.uk/index.html
There is a download of inscriptions for Heptonstall graveyard available -you never know it might help a little!
If you need any help on any addresses or places in the area let me know, I lived in Heptonstall/Colden for 30 odd years .
Good luck
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I searched the film of Parish Registers of Births Marriages and Burials in Heptonstall and Cross Stone, unfortunately the births pages for the early 1760's were not there - it said something about binding being too tight on the book.
Not sure if this thread is still 'live' or if the mystery surrounding the 1 or 2 Phineas Illingworths has been solved.
I too had a problem with a baptism being in a part of the parish register w hich had been tightly bound, making reading the left hand side of the page impossible. It was suggested to me to investigate the Bishop's Transcripts at the Borthwick Institute, York. I have not yet done so but the BTs for your area may be held there.
Josey
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Hi Josey,
Thank you for the information, I will contact cousin Paul Trevor (no. 1) to see if he has got any further with this, he is far more active with research than I am at the moment.
I'm closer to York than Trevor so if he hasn't got any further I will try to find out if the Borthwick Institute has the relavent records, and pay a visit if they do.
Love your avatar pic, I've got 3 cats, one black, one tux and a calico, all characters!
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The cats are a rescued mother & son pictured 3 years ago while Eric was a kitten; we did have a tux too but she died in January aged 18.
I found your post because I was searching for the Wilkinson name. I have a Holland family in Midgley; some of whom were baptised in Heptonstall. A John Holland weaver of Midgley married an Elizabeth Wilkinson spinster of Erringden in Halifax St John's [just before Hardwicke's Law] on 12 May 1752. Children were Susan 1753, James 1755, Hannah 1759, Ann 1760, James 1761. I am descended from James 1761 & via the line living in Nova Scotia & Ireland I now by coincidence live 15 miles from Midgley!
Does this Elizabeth Wilkinson 'jive' with any of your research? Was it a common name in the area?
Don't know if you had found the date of a marriage for a Phineas Illingworth & a Betty Booth of 18 May 1788 at Bradford St Peter's? It's on the scanned West Yorkshire parish records on ancestry but it does say 'both of this parish'.
Josey
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The cats are a rescued mother & son pictured 3 years ago while Eric was a kitten; we did have a tux too but she died in January aged 18.
I found your post because I was searching for the Wilkinson name. I have a Holland family in Midgley; some of whom were baptised in Heptonstall. A John Holland weaver of Midgley married an Elizabeth Wilkinson spinster of Erringden in Halifax St John's [just before Hardwicke's Law] on 12 May 1752. Children were Susan 1753, James 1755, Hannah 1759, Ann 1760, James 1761. I am descended from James 1761 & via the line living in Nova Scotia & Ireland I now by coincidence live 15 miles from Midgley!
Does this Elizabeth Wilkinson 'jive' with any of your research? Was it a common name in the area?
Don't know if you had found the date of a marriage for a Phineas Illingworth & a Betty Booth of 18 May 1788 at Bradford St Peter's? It's on the scanned West Yorkshire parish records on ancestry but it does say 'both of this parish'.
Josey
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No idea! which? 1 or 2 or same person.
Hope it helps
These sources mention Betty Booth also fits Bradford marriage to Booth at St Peters given above
Does not seem to have Todmorden connections
http://www.geni.com/people/Phineas-Illingworth/6000000001655719844
Birthdate: September 17, 1763
Birthplace: Allerton, yorks
Death: Died 1837
http://thepeerage.com/p23521.htm
http://thepeerage.com/p23519.htm
Phineas Illingworth
b. 17 September 1763, d. 28 July 1837
He was the son of William Illingworth and Martha Wilinson.1 He married Betty Booth on 18 May 1788.1 He died on 28 July 1837 at age 73.1
He lived at Bradford, Yorkshire, England.1
Child of Phineas Illingworth and Betty Booth
Daniel Illingworth+1 b. 12 Dec 1792, d. 18 Jun 1854
http://illingworth.net/Illingtree2.pdf
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Hi Josey, (and Dobfarm)
I pulled out a descendant tree that Trevor (1) sent me some time back, (I've really got to get down to putting all the extra info on my Family Tree programme, Illness over the last couple of years has slowed me down.) Yes I found the marriage info on it, also that they were buried at Westgate Chapel. Their son Daniel and his wife Elizabeth Hill were buried at Undercliffe Cemetery.
As far as I was aware the only Wilkinson in our tree was Martha, Phineas's mother, she was born in Allerton in c1742.
But on looking through this latest tree update I found two more, a Wilfred Wilkinson married Flora Illingworth in 1903, I have no birthdate for Wilfred but Flora was born 1877, no places or children listed, Flora's parents married in Bradford.
The second one was Harold Crabtree Wilkinson, 1904-1985, born 28 June 1904, married 7 August 1930 to Madge Illingworth, born 19 May 1905 in Fernbank, Bradford Road, Shipley, she died 10th July 2003, Steeton Court Nursing Home, Steeton, Keighley. Harold died 12th June 1985 in Northallerton. No children listed.
Re: cats, my three were all born to feral mothers, you would never know it now, they are real home loving cats, though Rappy, the tux (mommy's boy) likes to hunt, he keeps bringing me presents. I don't mind the mice but I wish he'd leave the rats outside! We lost our matriarch Sammy jo at the age of 23 years, two months and 9 days old, she was a real bossy boots tortie.