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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: KellG on Tuesday 13 April 10 09:25 BST (UK)
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I wonder if anyone can point me in the right direction?
I've been able to trace my Great-Great-Grandfather Walter Robson to Hexham.
I know he was married on 4th December 1831, he was born around 1813 & is listed in the census returns as being born in St.John Lee, Anick & Hexham!
Is anyone aware of any Baptism records for these areas for the 1813 period?
Thanks,
Dave.
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Hi Dave,
He's not on family search and the Bishops transcripts for the two parishes concerned do not go back far enough. They're also not yet covered on freereg!
There's a few people on here with microfiche of certain parishes - if they don't come up with the answer then I can check for you at the archives.
Christine
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I looked at St. John Lee 1811-1815 but no Walter Robson there.
Janis
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Thanks for the help. I really appreciate it.
I've just been looking at the census again.
In 1841 he's listed as birth year 1816, born Northumberland.
In 1851, birth year is 1813, born St.John Lee.
In 1861, birth year is 1813, born Hexham.
He was married to Margaret Forster on 4th December 1831, the only reference I can find to a Margaret Forster in the Hexham area for the period is a baptism record for 7th April 1816. As they are both listed in all the census records as being the same age, I'm wondering if the 1841 version of an 1816 birth year could be the correct one.
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I looked for a few years aroung 1811-1813, no Walter baptisms in Hexham. Janis
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I had a feeling that you had these records, Janis. No need for me to do it tomorrow :)
Dave, the 1841 census rounded all adult ages down to the nearest 5 so that is the least likely to be correct. That said people didn't always know exactly how old they were and, even if they did, often lied about it!
Perhaps you need to cast around neighbouring parishes.
Christine
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I only have C of E record, there may be Methodist churches in the area or other denominations. Robson is a difficult name to search but Walter is different enough. I have some other church records in the area I will have a look.
Janis
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Ha- Me being a "Non-Corformist", I just about to say " What about the records of religions other than Anglican. Janis beat me to it.
But I can praise Walter for been so consistant with his accurate info-giving to enumerators.
In the three cenuses 51 61 71 his age is recorded as 36 46 58. And I will assume that he told 41 enumerator that he was 28 yrs of age, and enumerator correctly followed set instructions and rounded 28 down to nearest divisor of 5, i.e. 25.
"Where Born"
41 Northumberland /
51 St John Lee
61 Hexham........ now the parishes of Hexham and St John Lee are neighbours.
71 enumerator records "Alnwick" for Walter's "Where Born". But Alnwick parish is about ten parishes away from the pair of Hexham and St John Lee.
I think Walter said or wrote ANICK for enumerator and enumerator recorded Alnwick. (pronounced as " anik" )
ANICK was/is a small community within the Parish of St John Lee, close to it's boundary with Hexham Parish.
Michael
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Thanks for all the help, I'm really grateful.
I know Robson has to be one of the most common names in Northumberland but I thought finding Walter would have been easier.
Unfortunately, I think I'm going to have to contend with spelling errors apart from Anick & Alnwick.
In the 1841 census he's down as "WATER" ROBSON & for his daughter Mary Jane's baptism in 1854 he's listed as "WALKER" ROBSON.
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KellG,
I saw the WATER instead of Walter. But I thought " So What ? "
It does not detract from the overall picture of Walter's " events"
We will see but I am convinced that you will eventually find his baptism record. It's there ! You just haven't looked in the right place yet.
Michael
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I looked through St John Lee again. 1803-1823 Looking for any Robson living in Anick. There was one named John. St. John Lee did not starting writing in the mother's name until Apr 1812.
My Hexham transcript also had Catholic baptisms for 1813. but that is all the farther I have.
I even looked for any child named Walter irregardless of last name. None
The only place I have found with a Walter Robson was in Longbenton during the years you want but they lived there and had lots of children for many years.
Janis
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The great Robson centre in the area was Stamfordham parish, in particular Ingoe, a farming settlement. A branch of my family came from Lionel (originally from Ingoe, according to the Bishop's Transcript) and Jane Robson who married in 1784 and settled in Great Whittington, part of Corbridge/Halton parish, next door to St. John Lee. They were having children up to about 1803, so are unlikely to be Walter's parents, but their oldest sons - Joseph, William, Lionel-would be be the right sort of age. Of cause Lionel senior has brothers who also stayed in the area.However, I've had a quick look at my notes from the earlier Corbridge and Halton registers and can't find any Walters among the Robsons. Names did run in families, so that could be significant. What did Walter call his eldest son? That could give a clue to his own father's name.
Interesting that you can't find a baptism for St John Lee for 1813, given my earlier post about not finding a baptism for John Little in 1812 for that parish.
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Hi Geordie Mag,
Thanks for your reply,
The name Walter does run in the family, one of Walters sons was called Walter & his other sons also had boys named Walter.
As for Walters eldest son, his name was Michael, as you say, that could be a clue.
The other strange thing about not finding any baptism records is that there is no record of his wife Margaret Forsters baptism either & she was also born around 1813!
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Something I found while looking for something else:
Marriage Hexham:
18 May 1813 Walker Robson and Ann Pape (or Pope) by license witnesses Matthew Lee and John Brown
Janis
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The only place I have found with a Walter Robson was in Longbenton during the years you want but they lived there and had lots of children for many years.
Janis
Hi Janis,
I've also noticed the "Longbenton Robsons", I wish they were my family, they seem to be well documented!
The only other Walter Robson I've been able to find was baptised 8th December 1816 in Norham (near Berwick).
So unless his parents moved from Anick to Norham to have him baptised when he was 3 years old I'm afraid I've hit a large brick wall!
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I was wondering if the Walker Robson was family as one of the census said Walker Robson.
Janis
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Hi Geordie Mag
I am also descended from Lionel and Jane Robson. I very much doubt I could help you backwards but I may havesome inforamtion regarding descendats which would help you
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Thanks, barbarad. I'll send you a PM when I have a moment and we can swop info.
KellG,
I am still watching out for your Walter as I trawl through Tyne Valley registers, but no sighting so far. Have you got any further in finding him?
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Hi,
Thought I would post this for you (family search, maybe it was mistranscribed.
Margaret Foster
Christening 09 JUL 1815 Hexham, Northumberland, England
Parents John Foster & Margaret
Sharon
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Geordie Mag,
Thanks for looking for me, I'm needing all the help I can get, I cannot find him anywhere!
Sharon,
Thanks very much for the info, I really appreciate it.
Dave.
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Dave,
I know how you feel, I have been looking for one of my relatives for ages, Jacob Salkeld's (longtown Cumberland) birth can not be found.
By the way the Salkelds of Hexham & the Robsons are related somewhere along the line, but then again most families do have a connection to them in Hexham.
Good luck.
Sharon.
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Hi Geordie Mag
I am also descended from Lionel and Jane Robson. I very much doubt I could help you backwards but I may havesome inforamtion regarding descendats which would help you
Hi All
I have John Ellison born 1728 and Susannah French born 1730 were parents of
Jane Ellison born 1759 married Lionel Robson born Ingoe in 1760 (son of William Robson) They Married 14th May 1782 at St Andrews Corbridge.
they were the parents of too many to mention here ....at the moment.
Lionel Robson (one of the many) CHRISTENED DECEMBER 1792 at St Oswalds,St Cuthbert &King Alfward ,Halton
Jane and Lionel were in Great Wittington at the time of the 1841 census not far from their daughter and son in law Susannah and JOHN REED.
Jane and Lionel both burried at St Oswalds,St Cuthbert &King Alfward ,Halton
Jane burried 26th September 1844 Lionel 8th July 1845...
duno if you'll find this of intrest ??
good luck all
accypete
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I am a decentdant of these Robson / Ellisons...skipping a few generations my Great Granddad John Robson was born in Wark 1878 and ended up living in Hethersgill Cumberland.
He married Mary Jane Armstrong at St Marys, Staplton on 4th Dec 1902
;D
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I've been in the Newcastle local history library this morning, making a start (no more than that) on trying to sort out some of the families of Robsons in Stamfordham. I only had an hour and a half, so didn't get beyond baptisms and a few marriages in Volume 5,1737 - 1767. Anyway, so far no Walter Robsons, sorry KellG, though there is just about every other Christian name covered. Thank you for you post, accypete. I'll send you a message about shared ancestors.
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Has any one checked out the Walter Robson son of Walter and Margaret (Joicey)Robson ,1817 Long Benton,or was he discounted on parish,
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As far as I can tell, Walter Robson of Longbenton is not the Walter Robson of St.John Lee, Hexham that I'm looking for.
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Looking through the Stamfordham registers I came across this baptism for June 2nd 1821
Walter illegitimate son of Walter Smith of Elsdon and Mary Robson of Ryal, both servants. Now I know he is probably too late to be your Walter Robson, though it doesn't give an age and some children were quite old when they were baptised. But what I found interesting was that FreeReg, when I checked, had him listed as Walter Smith, but of course he was Walter Robson, being illegitimate.
Just another complication for your search!
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Hi Geordie Mag,
It certainly is a complication, but it's also a plausible explanation as to why I cannot find any reference to Walter Robsons Baptism.
I'll just have to keep looking further afield
Thanks for the help.
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The Ellisons of Hexham were more likely Carr-Ellisons or relatives there of.They lived at Beanley Hall and Hebburn Hall in Alnwick if this helps.
T.
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Could you give more details? I'm not clear what the link is.