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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cumberland => Topic started by: charz on Monday 12 April 10 20:47 BST (UK)
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hello.
I am trying to find some information about when/if a lot of people came over from Ireland to Cumberland. Was there a particular area that they went or a time frame etc. My ggggrandfather was born 1832 in Carlisle but i cannot find any birth record for him and he became a Tobacco pipe maker, which seems an unusual occupation, but it's possible his father came over from Ireland.
Any info would be gratefully recieved
Cheers
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Traditionally, Cleator and Cleator Moor were thought of as having a large Irish population but when and why I have no idea.
bob
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Theres a really good book:
Immigrants by Fred Lightfoot
Paperback: 462 pages
Publisher: Four O'Clock Press (29 Jun 2007)
Language English
ISBN-10: 1906146233
ISBN-13: 978-1906146238
which looks at the irish communities in west cumbria.
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Thank you I will definitely have a look at this book :)
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Hi All
The book sounds fascinating.
Certainly, traditionally there were loads of Irish in Cleator Moor.
I can't remember all the details, even the ones I know, but apparently the Irish have been coming for centuries, but with bigger influxes at certain times.
I've been told that for centuries there were Irish workers who came over for a good few months every year.
Many worked from the west of the country to the east and then back again, often with favourite places visited every year. So it's quite conceivable that babies might arrive or family members might die well away from where they werte on the census. Baptisms and marriages are a little easier to manage!
Of course loads of peple went back to Ireland to marry.
I always assumed it would be manual labour, and apparently they did work the harvest and also navied on the railways and suchlike. Mining was also a big draw - I think that may be the case in Cleator Moor. I've also been told though that many Irish were in demand for the skills they brought, such as engineering.
The military also provided work., and tere were always the travellers and hawkers.
Even before the influx from the potato harvest, many large families were struggling on the small plots of land they had, and income was sustituted by work elsewhere,.
There was an influx during the potato famines. I think the one which brought some of my own family acrosswas about 1845.
A huge number of Irish came in through Liverpool. Many had intended to continue on and emigrate. In Cumbria of course, they could come in through our own ports and by sea from Liverpool, but many also came through south Scotland. Iknow that more than one branch of my family in Lancashire arrived from Ireland via Scotland and Cumbria.
Just my amateur ideas! You may check them when you read the book. I did read a much shorter article in the Manchester and Lancashire FHS magazine. Of course I can't put that online, but I can give the details date etc to anyone interested.
Anyway, I must admit, witheveryone I've spokken to, when I have problems with the Irish, I'm much more open to relatives having been here forlonger than I realised, especially in the army, and also to the idea that most of the siblings etc may be found abroad.
Equally there were usually a few left in Ireland. Their census for 1911 and 1901 are almost fully online now, and fully free, I have seen Cumberland given as a birth. Worth a look!
Just incase you're lacking something to read!
Good night
Emms :)
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PS Thinking about it, going back to your original statement, if you're looking in Cumberland, have you looked or asked someone to look, in the Catholic records. They're in the library, the Record Office being closed at the moment.
They'll be under the oldest Our Lady and St Joseph parish, but at this date it would actually be an older chapel.
Warwick Bridge RC was actually opened before this, and even nowadays, some Carlisle families are buried and married there.
Films of the registers are also in the library.
Good luck!
Emms :)
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Hi trying to find out myself about the irish in cumberland . my family came from egermont and worked in the mines, but the family tree always stops when i find out they came from ireland
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Hello...
My GGGGrandfather John COWAN married Elizabeth FORRESTER / FORSTER on 30 Mar 1811 in Nicholforest, Cumberland. I have no details on John COWAN's parents and was wondering if his marriage record would state their names. Would someone be able to point me in the right direction as to how I could obtain details of their marriage (Parish records, I suppose?).
Also I am assuming that COWAN is probably Irish but I may be wrong. :-)
Thanks... Diane
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A lot of Irish people came to Whitehaven to work in the coalmines, they were given rent free houses at the New houses in the Ginns area of the town,these cottages were built in 1788,
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Hello Tom :D
Tha'll hef ta taalk English here marra!
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Right Geoffe, I will use my posh voice, how things with you,