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Hannah O'Kane married Francis Boyle on the 3rd January 1871 in the Parish of Errigal. Their 1st child , Patrick was born in Aghadowey 10th Oct 1871 so I assume that they were living there.
I think that they also had:
James
Mary
Daniel
Sarah
John
Margaret
I've only been able to confirm that Hannah was my greataunt...thanks again aghadowey...and I don't know anything about the Boyle family
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Children of Francis Boyle and Hannah O'Kane from IGI:
1. Mary Elizabeth born 12 June 1873 Co.Londonderry
2. John born 6 June 1877 Aghadowey
3. Margaret born 15 Apr.1879 'Aughadawey'
There's a Francis Boyle, age 82 in 1901 census (Glasgort townland, Agivey Parish) but daughter Bridget's age is 34 and son Francis' age is 30 so not likely to be right family.
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On the marriage cert Francis's father is given as Patrick Boyle,from Glascort,a farmer.
Francis's age is given as 28 in 1871
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Should be Glasgort, Agivey Parish as I thought. Away to search for Patrick Boyle, etc.
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1863 Ironmongers' Co. Notes on Tenants- Glasgort:
- Patrick Boyle (the Banker) 20 acres 1 rod 10 perches, annual rent £16 1s. Wife, two children, one grandchild. [1886 Francis Boyle jun.]
- James Boyle (Bridget) 8 acres 1 rod 2 perches, annual rent £6 7s. Wife, son and his wife. He is 80 years of age. [1886 Francis Boyle sen.]
- John Boyle, 5 acres 1 rod 30 perches, annual rent £3 16 s. Wife, six children. One of the daughters very seriously afflicted; the mother wants to get her into the infirmary.
- Richard Boyle, 4 acres 3 rods 39 perches, annual rent £3 17s. And two sisters. Very poor place.
- Widow Mary Ann Boyle, annual rent 1s. Eight children. Very poor. Gives up at death.
- Patrick Boyle (Cutt) 5 acres 0 rods 3 perches, annual rent £3 12s. A bachelor. One niece.
- James Boyle (Pat) 5 acres 3 rods 13 perches, annual rent £5 16s. Wife and one daughter. [1886 Francis Boyle jun.]
1886 Ironmongers' Tenants List- Glasgort:
Boyle, Francis senior (3.1.2) rent £5 5s 0d.
Boyle, Francis junior (5.3.13) rent £4 5s 0d. Same as next entry-
Boyle, Francis junior (20.1.10) rent £12 15s 0d.
Boyle, Richard (4.3.39) rent £3 0s 0d.
Boyle, John (5.1.30) rent £3 0s 0d.
Boyle, Richard (no land listed) rent 1s [same place as Widow Mary Ann Boyle in 1863].
Also have 1901 census if you want it.
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What does the name in brackets mean..eg [1886 Francis Boyle jun.] Did the land pass to him?
I think Hannah may have died in according to the FamilySearch site
Name: Hanah Boyle
Registration district: Coleraine
Record type: DEATHS
Registration date - quarter and year: Apr - Jun 1881
Estimated birth year: 1850
Age: 31
and according to the will from PRONI
Francis Boyle late of Glasgort died 12 Dec 1897...probate was granted to John M'Nicholl of Agivey
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the notes in [ ] are my notes- for example, [1886 Francis Boyle jun.] means this same property was under the name of Francis Boyle jun. in 1886 tenants list.
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1863 Ironmongers' Co. Notes on Tenants- Glasgort:
- Patrick Boyle (the Banker) 20 acres 1 rod 10 perches, annual rent £16 1s. Wife, two
Can you tell us where you access the Ironmongers records??
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Original records in London, think PRONI have microfilm copy- I copied 1863 notes by hand years ago.
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1863 Ironmongers' Co. Notes on Tenants- Glasgort:
- Patrick Boyle (the Banker) 20 acres 1 rod 10 perches, annual rent £16 1s. Wife, two children, one grandchild. [1886 Francis Boyle jun.]
- James Boyle (Bridget) 8 acres 1 rod 2 perches, annual rent £6 7s. Wife, son and his wife. He is 80 years of age. [1886 Francis Boyle sen.]
- John Boyle, 5 acres 1 rod 30 perches, annual rent £3 16 s. Wife, six children. One of the daughters very seriously afflicted; the mother wants to get her into the infirmary.
- Richard Boyle, 4 acres 3 rods 39 perches, annual rent £3 17s. And two sisters. Very poor place.
- Widow Mary Ann Boyle, annual rent 1s. Eight children. Very poor. Gives up at death.
- Patrick Boyle (Cutt) 5 acres 0 rods 3 perches, annual rent £3 12s. A bachelor. One niece.
- James Boyle (Pat) 5 acres 3 rods 13 perches, annual rent £5 16s. Wife and one daughter. [1886 Francis Boyle jun.]
1886 Ironmongers' Tenants List- Glasgort:
Boyle, Francis senior (3.1.2) rent £5 5s 0d.
Boyle, Francis junior (5.3.13) rent £4 5s 0d. Same as next entry-
Boyle, Francis junior (20.1.10) rent £12 15s 0d.
Boyle, Richard (4.3.39) rent £3 0s 0d.
Boyle, John (5.1.30) rent £3 0s 0d.#Boyle, Richard (no land listed) rent 1s [same place as Widow Mary Ann Boyle in 1863].
Also have 1901 census if you want it.
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Hi Aghadowey, according to the 1901 census my gt. grandfather Thomas Boyle & sister Bridget were still living with their mother, widow Mary Ann Boyle. Could you help me find out the names of their other 6 siblings mentioned in the 1863 Ironmogers Co. Notes on Tenants- Glasgort. When my gt. grandfather Thomas married, on the certificate it states his father's still living, that was in 1884 but it appears that his mother Mary Ann was a widow in 1863. Can you also shine any light on that please. All of the Boyle families in Glasgort must be related, I'd like to find out the connection between them if possible. Hope this isn't too much.
Regards,
James.
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Unfortunately the Ironmonger's 1863 notes just list number of children but not their names.
Does the marriage certificate (1884) actually say the father was living or are you assuming this to be the case because he's not noted as deceased?
Don't think the Thomas Boyle still in Glasgort could be your great-grandfather-
The 1901 census shows Mary Ann Boyle (widow) with 2 children - Thomas (47) and Bridget (50)- both unmarried.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Agivey/Glasgort/1516281/
1911 census shows Thomas Boyle and sister Bridget still living together and unmarried.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Agivey/Glasgort/652162/
The Boyle are probably all related and inter-married with local families. Perhaps best to start from the beginning and see if I can find more information on your family in my records.
What information is given on Thomas' marriage certificate, etc.?
Added- a Thomas Boyle, farmer, Glasgort, died 29 Dec.1923- might be the Thomas living with sister Bridget in 1911.
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Thanks for replying so quickly. Thomas Boyle was married to Sarah Donaghy on 16th May 1884 at Armoy R.C., registration district of Ballycastle. Thomas Boyle is described as of full age, a bachelor and a servant residing at Aghadowey at the time of his marriage, his father's name is given as John Boyle and "living" written directly under it in the same box and described as a farmer in the next box. For years I've always thought Thomas Boyle's parents were John Boyle & Peggy Jane (or Margaret) Loughry but having seen the 1901 & 1911 censuses I have my doubts. In both censuses Thomas Boyle may have said he was unmarried as his wife, Sarah Donaghy died in 1897, leaving his youngest child Annie to be raised by Sarah's parents in Armoy. The fact my Thomas Boyle named his 2 daughters Mary & Annie, in that order, leads me to believe the Thomas Boyle, son of Widow Mary Ann Boyle are one & the same. My Thomas Boyle died 7th January 1931 in Armoy, aged 76 & described as a farmer.
Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
Regards,
James
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Afrsaid I'm not convinced yet that your Thomas is the one in Glasgort. Mary and Ann are both common Christian names and the fact that he gave these 2 names to his daughters means very little. Traditionally one would expect a first daughter to be named after the mother's mother but not both after the same granny. A friend at Glasgort would have known more about the Boyle there but unfortunately he died last year.
Think I found wee Annie Boyle in 1901 census- is Patrick her brother?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Ballygomartin/Hannahstown/191891/
and in 1911-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Armoy/Armoy_Town/112372/
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You have a point there. My grandmother Annie Boyle's & her sister Mary's maternal grandmother was Mary Donaghy (nee Connor). I was always told by my Mum (from Armoy, Co.Antrim) that one of her father's sister's was named Rebecca and that they came from Landagivey as opposed to Glasgort, Agivey, Aghadowey. I found Rebecca Boyle to be daughter of John Boyle of Landagivey & Margaret Jane (Peggy Jane) Loughry of Kilrea and is why I've always assumed them to be his parents, but I've not actually found any link from Thomas Boyle himself to John & Margaret Jane Boyle (nee Loughry). Can you give me any pointers?
You're also right, in the 1901 Census, both Patrick & Annie Boyle were still with their maternal grandparents in Armoy, Patrick left for Greenock, Scotland, leaving only my granny Annie Boyle with them in the 1911 Census.
Annie Boyle married James Cushnahan of Armoy. I've found it easier to research the Cushnahan side as mum is still living & I have many relatives on that side still living in Armoy & Ballycastle to help me. As I have no living relatives on the Boyle side & it is in the next county (mum didn't have any contact with them) I'm really coming unstuck with the Boyles. Any help would be appreciated.
Regards,
James
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PRONI website lists a a Patrick Boyle, farmer, of Glasgort, who died 17 May 1874- granted to John Boyle, Agivey, blacksmith.
In 1911 census a Hugh Boyle and sister Rebecca Boyle were living in Landagivey-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Agivey/Landagivey/652172/
In 1901 they are shown with parents John and Margaret-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Agivey/Landagivey/1516298/
Also in 1901 are two Boyle brothers- probably dead before 1911 census-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Agivey/Landagivey/1516297/
I should also mention that most of the lands at Glasgort, Landagivey, etc.were cleared to build the aerodrome during WWII. Some of the families came back but many did not return.
Will keep looking and see what I can find.
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1863 Ironmongers Notes on Tenants- Landagivey:
-John Boyle (6 acres 1 rod 25 perches) annual rent £4.2s. Wife, five children, and his brother (a lunatic). Has repaired his house since the visit of the last deputation.
-Patrick Boyle (13.3.10) £8.1s. Now Widow Boyle. One son, one daughter, and two grandchildren, one son, his wife, and six children.
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I've seen that will granted to John Boyle the blacksmith of Agivey from Patrick Boyle (a bachelor) of Glasgort. It states this John was a newphew of this Patrick.
Mum also mentioned Hugh aswell as Rebecca, so it does point towards John Boyle & Margaret Jane Loughry being the parents, but still no link to Thomas. Just fished out John Boyle & Margaret Loughry's Marriage Certificate, they were married 12/12/1851, just noticed this John Boyle is from Bovagh and Margaret Jane Loughry's from Kilrea, the witnesses were James Kane & Margaret Boyle both of Landagivey. I have baptism details of an Ann, Hugh & Rose baptised by 1863 & details of a Margaret, Hugh & Rebecca born after 1863 to John & Margaret Boyle (nee Loughry) but no Thomas. Presumably the 1st Hugh died and a later son also named Hugh.
Mum did mention the land was sold or confiscated with compensation to build a military airfield, thanks for confirming that.
James
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Hi Aghadowey,
The John Boyle you mention in Landagivey with the 5 children mentioned in the 1863 Ironmongers Landagivey Tenants Report sounds like that could be the John & Margaret Boyle (nee Loughry) family, only they had 4 children by 1863, the 5th being born in 1864.
In brackets beside Patrick Boyle is 13.3.10, would that be Patrick Boyle's date of birth or some other reference. If my Thomas Boyle was a son of this Patrick Boyle, it may explain why he named his only son Patrick & not John.
Look forward to hearing from you,
Regards,
James.
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The 13.3.10 is the land measure 13 acres 3 rods and 10 perches.
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I stand corrected! Quite a bit of land. A city boy like myself needs to be excused for thinking that was Patrick Boyle's date of birth. Thanks for that.
James.
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For your research interest, Rebecca Boyle's old home survived the construction of the Mullaghmore Airfield in 1941 and still stands in a small copse of trees in Landagivey.
In St Mary's RC graveyard, Cullycapple Road lies the following:
WJ Boyle of Garvagh & Landagivey d. 8 Feb 1943, Row 1 Plot E
Hugh & Rebecca Boyle of Landagivey, Row 1 Plot 7
William Boyle of Landagivey, Row 5 Plot 8
Jim Boyle of Agivey, Blacksmith, Row 6 Plot 3
Dan McKaigney & Susan Boyle of Drumale, Row 10 Plot 1
Unnamed Boyle of Mullaghmore, Row 11 Plot 2
In the ancient south east section lies Tom Boyle of Glasgort, a weaver. Row 1 Plot 5
That's all I have for now.
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Further to my last posting:
Robert Boyle of Agivey, Blacksmith lies also in Row 6 Plot 3.
Presumably the father of Jim.
The Dan McKaigney mentioned earlier in Row 10 Plot 1 has a large plot, 18ft by 10ft.
Consequently, Rose and Susan Boyle of Glasgort lie between Plot 1 and Plot 2 in Row 10.
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1863 Ironmongers Notes on Tenants- Landagivey:
-John Boyle (6 acres 1 rod 25 perches) annual rent £4.2s. Wife, five children, and his brother (a lunatic). Has repaired his house since the visit of the last deputation.
-Patrick Boyle (13.3.10) £8.1s. Now Widow Boyle. One son, one daughter, and two grandchildren, one son, his wife, and six children.
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Welcome to Roostchat, Michael. Did you forget to put in your message before posting?
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Hi Aghadowey, I certainly did. In reference to John Boyle of Landagivey mentioned in the Ironmongers notes on tenants 1863, would you happen to have access to the notes referred to as the visit of the last deputation and/or the Ironmongers notes on tenants 1886 for this same family, they were still in Landagivey? If not, could you please advise where I may see them?
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1886 is a tenants list without the details in the 1863 visitation.
Landagivey-
John Boyle sen. 13a 3r 10p (£6 5s 0d)
John Boyle jun. 7a 0r 25p (£3 10s 0d)
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Thanks for that, I was hoping there might be a bit more detail but I see John Boyle Jnr. (my gt. gt. grandfather) extended his boundaries if only a little. The 1863 notes state the house has been repaired since the visit of the last deputation. Do you know what year the previous Ironmongers notes on the tenants were taken and where I may find them?
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Will look up the dates for the visitations. The records are in the Guildhall Library, London where I viewed them but many, if not all, of the visitations are on microfilm at PRONI, Belfast (see their e-catalogue at www.proni.gov.uk). The 1863 one is the only which goes into such detail.
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Thanks for looking up the dates of the visitations. I'll be in Belfast in the summer so will try to get into PRONI if you can't access them. Even if the previous visitations don't go into such detail do you know if they at least give the name of the paying tenant/head of household?