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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: alunno-a on Friday 09 April 10 22:34 BST (UK)
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Hello all,
I have just turned my attentions to my Mum's side of my tree, and have come thoroughly un-stuck at the first hurdle! I just don't understand Lancashire, and the differant names for places as they developed over the 19th century. So, I am examining closely the census returns where I am sure I have my great grandparents George and Bets(e)y Ormerod in Haslingden. But in 1881 there is an "extra" child in the house-- there is George, wife Betsy b Wolverhampton, ( nee Horton) their child William Henry Ormerod, George's Mother Hannah, who I think is nee Pilkington, and a Thomas Wm aged 3, grandson of Hannah, but I can't find who he is! He is not George's son, and as far as I can tell not the child of Hannah's only other child Maria, who married a Richard Nutall. Has anyone any ideas???? I don't know where to start...
RG11 p4139 f63
Haslingden Touch and Take ( where is this?)
George Ormerod hd 31 wheelwright b Haslingden
Betsy ,, wife 27 b Wolverhampton
William Hy son 1 b Haslingden
Hannah Ormerod wid 58 b Hareholme But should be New church, is that Rawtenstall?)
Thomas Wm Ormerod grandson 3 b Manchester
Any help at all would be great- as there are so many Ormerods in this area I am loosing my senses!!!!
Thank-you,
Sally
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Births September qtr 1877
Thomas William Nuttall Manchester 8d 322
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Hello Sally,
this looks like Richard in 1891
1891 RG12; Piece: 3367; Folio 68; Page
a widower living Habergham Eaves- his son is William aged 13 yrs born Manchester which fits Carole's find.
best wishes
heywood
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Oh Fantastic- thank-you both so much!!!! mystery solved perhaps, daft of me to assume he was an Ormerod.
Thank-you again.
Sally
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Hi
Touch and Take??
At first thought I thought it would be Hud Rake (I live locally).
I checked the census for you and the area you are concerned with just prior and just after is Sykeside and Bent Gate - this would make Hud Rake too far out I would of thought.
At this time I cannot shed much light on this, but if you like I will delve further.
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Hi,
Well I thought it said "Touch and Take"! I shall do some more on this later today, and get back. But, Sykeside is interesting, as, marriage cert for George Ormerod has just arrived yesterday, and his place of residence is "Syke Side".this is my problem with the area, the names change so much, and I am not local!
Thank-you for your help, it is much appreciated.
Sally
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Hi
It certainly does like Touch and Take, but I have never heard of that, but I live very close to Sykeside and Bent Gate.
Our local Tesco store (Haslingden) is on the former site of Sykeside Mill, and there is a hotel just opposite called Sykeside House - this is where William Roache (Coronation Street) once lived - it was converted after he sold the property.
There is a pub further down called the Woolpack - which was also listed on your census - a couple of pages after the Ormerod's - this is in the Bent Gate area.
I too am mystified by Touch and Take - I will see what I can find out
Amanda
PS I have located some old photos of the area - they arn't mine so I need to ask permission to post
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Hope someone solves this mystery as I too am fascinated to find out where Touch and Take is.
Josie.
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Almost solved - just waiting for permission, but it seems there was an area called Touch and Take - near to the Road End junction which was very close to Sykeside Mill
I have had a fascinating morning looking around and about!
Watch this space
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Wonderful.
Have just found that Touch and Take on the 1851 census is HO107/2250 f 224 and 225
so its a street? -
My Ormerods are at Height End in 1861 and 1871, and this is on the returns listed as Lower Booths, Rawtenstall-- am I right in thinking this is actually Haslingden or am I completely muddled?
Sally
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okie dokie - I have been out for day many apologies!!
Here's the update :
I have two pictures from a really helpful lady who I hooked up with this morning. Apparently she has many more and I will pm you her email etc so she can pass information to you directly. You will be soooooo excited!!
First the piccies - the first is Touch and Take located just below Road End in Haslingden. The house in the top left of the photograph in the distance is Sykeside House.
the second is the area of Sykeside.
Following on from this I asked the poster if she knew of the Ormerod's family and guess what????
her neighbour is descended from your George the wheelwright!!!
anyway in the museum she works she has an old book on display that was his work book - apparently it is very interesting!!!
it gets better!!!
she will put you in touch with the neighbour.
She can also probably save you some money (and time) as she has all the marriages, baptisms & burials from Haslingden so could provide the info you need for free!!!
She also does obits and wills etc if there were any
I will pm you now with the details of the poster and you can take it from there
FYI Rawtenstall is another area of Rossendale about 2 miles from Haslingden
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Humbug,
I just want to say how brilliant your work has been. Sally must be overjoyed!
heywood :)
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Thank you Heywood - but I can't take the credit - I just hooked up with the right people and it was an amazing coincidence!!
I do wish I could have as much luck with my own tree though!!!!
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Don't we all.
You are very kind in the way that you all give your time.
A big thanks from all that you help.
Josie
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Humbug!!!
What can I say! Have just done a dance around the kitchen. This has been so amazingly kind of you. My Mum always said that the best people came from Haslingden!
Superb photographs, and I can't wait to get in touch with your contacts. Thank-you again , so much.
Sally
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LOL
I danced round for you yesterday too!!!!
It was a pleasure Sally - I have so much help from thsi forum - it was nice to put something back
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My dad lived in Touch and Take during the first world war. I only found out where it was after he died. He had always wondered about the exact location, but knew it was near Rawtenstall. Ironically he probably drove several times over the A56/A680 roundabout that is now on the site. I can supply maps if you like.
Apparently the building was a group of weavers' cottages built in 1600s or 1700s and it got its name from a shop run by an old woman over several years. Her chant was: "If you touch it, you'll take it" - sound advice for food.
Will
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Another view of Touch and Take with the maps showing its location in Edwardian times and its location in relation to the current road network.
W
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Wonderful how place names evolve and how they stick, as children we lived on a farm and all the fields had their own names, presumably from events that took place in each.
axecalibre
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Thanks for this thread, which has helped me with my research too.
Here's another map extract to show more clearly where Touch and Take was.
(part of Lancashire Sheet LXXI, Surveyed 1844 to 1845, Published 1849)
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