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Hi I am looking for the parents of William Webb born about 1861 in Beverly. He was an actor, so maybe his parents were travelling actors as well.
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Where have you found him? eg 1881 census? marraige?
I cant see him on 1881 at all....
Can we have details of what you already have?
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I was going to say the same thing. I can't find a birth for him in the Beverley district between 1858 and 1862, and he's not on the 1871 census (or the 1861).
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... or 1891 .....
(you're doing the same as me Suttontrust! :))
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there are about 6 duplicate threads! I've just linked one with no replies to this one .... but now see lots of others, so I dont know if any have any more info on them.
Bear with me and I will try to link.
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oK I have linked the threads so they all refer back to here ....
However the last one I found does actually have more info on it
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=448846.new
so maybe I should have linked them all to that, but I wont change it now!
Basically it seems he has been found on 1901 census
RG13 3954 133 55
Preston Lancashire
William Webb 40 Actor bn Beverley Yorks
Agnes 24 wife bn Birmingham
Margaret 1 mth bn Blyth Northumberland
all lodging in a lodging house. Other lodgers include an acrobat and his family!
Must move around, if baby is only one month old and was born in Northumberland ...
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I suspect William Webb was a stage name. There's a Margaret Agnes Webb born Mar 1901 Tynemouth 10b, 336. But it's doubtful whether that would help with William's origins if he had changed his name.
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Thanks everyone I am new at this. Sorry about the duplicates I thought I would ask under different sections in case different people looked at them. Didnt know they could be linked. So thanks again
I have the birth certificate of Margaret Agnes who was born in Tynemouth states father is Willaim Webb. Found the family in 1901 census and know his wife is Agnes Webb nee Harper born 17/9/1872
. It said on that census that he was 40 and born in Beverly. Im not sure where to go from here. As I also couldnt find him on other cencses. ???Maybe actors were of no abode???
Were actors part of a circus can I find any thing on these.
Also not sure about when he died. So maybe he had a different name??
I know there was one more child I think called Violet but will have to check. I believe she died as a small child.
If William Webb is a stage name would it have been put on the birth certificate and have been used for the family. Or would just the William part be the stage name.
Thanks again for your help
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There's a marriage of an Agnes Harper in Tynemouth in Mar q 1897. Her husband would be either Richard Gibson or Arthur Scoulding. Too much of a long shot, I suppose.
There would have been nothing to stop someone changing their name unofficially. There still isn't!
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That makes it harder if they can change names.
Agnes Harper was born in Hereford I think. I was going to look there for the marriage. but maybe she ran away to join the circus!!!
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I couldnt find a marriage of a William Webb to an Agnes Harper, so either his real name was one of those on the marriage that Suttontrust found, or they never actually married.
If William Webb was a stage name that he used at that particular time, or a name he used when with Agnes (other thread says he left her) and there are no other records that can be found in that name (which seems to be the case) then it is going to be very difficult to find out anything more about him, as we dont know what name(s) he used at other times.
We dont know if he was a actor performing at a theatre in a stage play, or something far more casual of a travelling kind. It is really pointless (though fun!) to try and guess anything.
The only leads at present, as I see it, are this census entry, the children's births, and that possible marriage of an Agnes Harper that was found.
So, if you want to explore every angle before giving this up as a lost cause, they are all that can be pursued.
First the census - that doesnt give us a lot to pursue. IF he was truthful about his age and place of birth then we can see if there are any 30 yr old actors born Beverly in 1881, for example, as a next step.
Then the children - what does Margaret's birth cert say? Is dad described as an actor then? Is mother Webb nee Harper, no other names? Does address give any clues as to what sort of place they were at? et etc
Then there is Violet, we could look for her and see if her cert brings any clues.
And of course there is 1911, have you found Margaret on there? Or William or Agnes? that would probably be the best next move for you.
I am doubtful you will get anywhere with this, but you really never know. That's the thing with this sort of research, you just never know where or when a lead will take you to the vital piece of info that makes it all fall into place,. Often you can follow hundreds without getting anywhere, but personally I never give up, and that has paid its dividends on occasions!
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Thanks , the birth cert says Actor (Comedian), Margaret was born at 66 Waterloo Road Cowpen.
I will do some hunting on the 1911 censes.
Its fun. I think I like the romantic run away with the handsome actor angle.
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Going back to the marriage Suttontrust found
The names on the page are:
Richard Wilson Gibson
Arthur Rob Scoulding
Mary Tuck
Agnes Harper
now I can see a Richard and Mary Wilson, residing in Tynemouth Reg Distr in 1901 with eldest child age 3 (Rg13 4808 86 6) who I reckon might be the Richard and Mary.
So that leaves Arthur Scoulding marrying the Agnes.
I cant any couple of that name in 1901, though I guess Scoulding is susceptable to mistranscrition! I have tried with no surname, just looking at Arthur/Agnes couples!
This doesnt get us very far, only that Arthur Rob Scoulding could still be William Webb, and that Richard Wilson Gibson is less likely to be.
modified to add : just to follow up I cant see Arthur anywhere else, so I do wonder, just wonder, if he could be 'our' William!
If you are feeling rich, the marriage cert might reveal if Arthur was an actor/comedian/similar
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Re: Arthur Rob Scoulding
I may be jumping in the deep end here as I do not know the message trail. My records show that this man was born Arthur Robert Scolding 29-Nov-1873 in Tivetshall and shows in most records as Arthur Robert Skoulding. I can be contacted at dave.scoulding@shaw.ca.
david scoulding
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Thank you Divads
OK, so that rules out Arthur - I see him now on 1901 with wife Agnes and small son John. He is a coal miner. RG13 4810 160 2.
So I think that rules out the marriage that was found.
Unless 1911 gives any more clues, or Violet's birth and death can be pinpointed and brings a clue (I did look but there are several Violet Webb's dying in infancy, and we have no idea where it might have been) then I think you are stuck for now.
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Thanks everyone. I think I mark this complete until I get another angle.