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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Mayo => Topic started by: Timbottawa on Wednesday 23 March 05 19:04 GMT (UK)
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Any links out there? I have a Thomas McHale, born Crossmalina in 1777. He joined the army in 1799, discharged in 1818.
Thanks
Tim
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Hi Tim
Sorry we haven't been able to help you so far on this one.
Have you made any progress, or do you have any further details that could help someone to find what you are looking for?
Look forward to hearing from you.
Best wishes
Ticker
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Hi Ticker,
Thanks for following up. No, no further news or additional information, I'm afraid. I'm at a dead-end - hoping that an indexed 1841 census might locate him at the end of his days (he's not in the 1851), and that might open some new avenues of research.
Cheers
Tim
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Hi Tim,
I have a database for Crossmolina church records that I have compiled, but the Catholic Church records didn't start until 1831 ish. You are VERY lucky to get so far back on your line! I do have the Tithe records, so I included the McHale's here for you. BTW, there are no census returns until 1910 & 1911- the earlier ones were destroyed I believe.
I also looked in the Church of Ireland records, which go back to the 1780s, and found no McHale's at all.
You might want to check the North Mayo Family History Center as they have all North Mayo church & cemetery records computerized now-you could have them lookup (for a fee) Thomas's death/cemetery records (assuming he died in Crossmolina. Below is the Tithe records for McHales in Crossmolina Parish:
Ballinloughaun Anthony McHale
Ballinloughaun Anthony McHale
Ballyneety Owen McHale
Ballyvimaha Owen Mchale
Ballyvimaha Thomas McHale
Cartrongilbert Widow McHale
Gurtmaline-BK 3 John McHale
Kildavaroge B3 Patrick Mchale
Kildavaroge B3 James McHale
Knockalegan Widow McHale
Mullimore S-Athawallia Thomas McHale
Diski
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Thanks Diski,
In the intervening years, I have discovered that Thomas died about 1831 (I have the exact year, but not in front of me right now) in London. His wife, Anne, was in Liverpool in 1841, living with one of their children, but she died in Liverpool in 1846. I suspect, but cannot prove, that Anne was also from Crossmolina - she was certainly from Ireland.
I suppose these McHales in the Tithe records would include some of Thomas' brothers and nephews. It would be intersting to tie down exactly from where in the parish he originated, but I don't suppose that is possible.
All the best
Tim
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My wife's ancestors are McHales from Crossmolina. We were able to get records from the Mayo North Heritage Centre that verified information we had about her family. The earliest accurate information showed William McHale of Crossmolina married Catherine (Mash) Marsh, also of Crossmolina, on February 12, 1865 in Crossmolina. They had 8 children - John, Walter, Joseph, Bridget, Peter, George, Michael and William. Michael is my wife's grandfather who immigrated to Kingston, PA where he married Kathryn Muldowney.
We are trying to verify who William McHale's parents were in Crossmolina. My father-in-law always believed that William's parents were William McHale and Mary Ellen Jennings. But the Heritage Centre records showed that William's father was Walter McHale (no record of his mother.) We are trying to determine if William and Walter might have been brothers. Any help you can provide would be appreciated.
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Hello notbob45
I too had a note stating that Williams father was Walter. Its unofficial, just my own observations from tracking down my own McHales. Assuming that Walter is the father, I have the following:
Walter McHale and Mary Catherine Ginnolly of Cuilacurrain:
Oct 23 1845 Walter, sponsors Pat Mulherin and Peggy Gilboy
Feb 25 1849 Catherine, sponsors Tho and Ellen McDonough
I could find no Walter McHale births in Crossmolina, but as I have warned many times, the register is in bad shape and there may very well be information there in the register but I could not read it.
There was a Walter McHale birth, Dec 24 1848 in Cum, which is in the neighboring parish to the south called Addergoole. Parents were William McHale and Bridget Moran.
Below are others born to this couple, all born in Cum. As you will see, there is a William and A Walter as siblings:
10 10 1856 Bap McHale, Martin
12 1 1850 Bap McHale, Michael
3 17 1847 Bap McHale, Pat
12 24 1848 Bap McHale, Walter
7 5 1859 Bap McHale, William
I could not find any marriage or christenings to a McHale & Jennings couple in Crossmolina.
Hope this is of some help,
Diski
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Diski,
Thank you for the followup. Your information is quite helpful and would appear to validate the relationship between William and Walter in the mid-1800's. I had hoped to see something about William and Mary Ellen Jennings, but...
We plan to be in Crossmolina in late May and will try to connect with the Marsh side of the family. Perhaps they can shed more light on our roots.
If I can ever be of assistance (not sure how) please let me know. Thank you again.
Notbob47
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Hi NotBob47,
I have a tie to Catherine Mash McHale. My great great Grandmother (Margret Mash Twigg) was her sister. I have recently been corresponding with Amy J., who is from the McHale line. Did you get to Crossmolina? Any Mash or Marsh there now?
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KTwigg,
We did get to Crossmolina in early June 2013 where we met with Robert Marsh, who lives on Erris Street in Crossmolina. Robert had a sister Mary who is deceased. I believe his great-grandfather was also named Robert Marsh who would have been Catherine and Margret's brother. In an effort to help you piece this together, I do know that Catherine's father's name was John Marsh. I hope this helps.
I'm interested in learning more about the McHale line from Amy J if she would be willing to connect on this site. Thank you.
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Hi There NotBob47
That's great! We would all be distantly related then! I sent a note to Amy. Let's see if she contacts you here... If not, I have her email address. Keep me posted, KTwigg
PS: where do you live now?
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KTwigg,
I think that you and my wife are second cousins, twice removed. It's not that far a 'distance.'
Thank you for contacting Amy. We hope to hear from her.
We live in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. And you?
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Hi NotBob47,
I live on Long Island, 60 miles east of New York City. My Twigg(s) family line spent at least 3 generations in County Mayo, Ireland, then came to the USA to join the McHale family near Scranton, PA in 1884, however they didn't like the harsh winter. They were passing through Brooklyn, NYC on their way back to Ireland, but liked it there, so they stayed. in 1955, my parents moved to Long Island, and here I am, now a grandfather here.
Amy is from the line of Peter McHale, by the way. You should hear from her soon.
I am not sure if they allow this or not, but my email address is kevtwi@aol.com .
KTwigg
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Hello everyone,
I’m hoping to connect with others researching the McHale family in Cum, a townland in the parish of Addergoole, County Mayo. I’m particularly interested in a Walter McHale, born around 1800 or possibly a generation later. I’ve come across several posts here referencing a Walter McHale baptized in 1848, son of William McHale and Bridget Moran, and I’d like to learn more about that family line—and whether it connects to mine.
Here’s my situation:
My 3rd great-grandfather was Michael McHale, born 1844 in County Mayo. I know very little about his life in Ireland—no known parents or townland. He first appears in the U.S. in Brooklyn, NY, where he married in 1865 and later settled in Birmingham, Alabama, where he died in 1897.
The major clue I have is this:
Michael’s first son, born in 1867, was named Walter McHale—a name that, as many of you may know, is extremely rare in Irish Catholic families, especially in western counties like Mayo. That choice of name has always stood out to me and may point to a father, grandfather, or close relative named Walter.
I’ve also done Y-DNA testing through Family Tree DNA. My haplogroup is R-CTS3087, a downstream branch of R-Z255. Two testers in the McHale DNA Surname Project are associated with:
A Walter McHale, born ~1800 in Cum, Co. Mayo (Kit #24904)
A Michael McHale, born <1800 near Tubbernavene, Mayo (Kit #139168)
While I don’t match either directly at 37 markers (genetic distance is 9), we clearly share an older paternal line. That, combined with the naming clue and geographic overlap, has me wondering whether my Michael (b. 1844) might descend from or be related to the Walter McHale mentioned here.
If anyone:
Has information on Walter McHale or his descendants in Cum
Is connected to the William McHale + Bridget Moran family
Or has worked with the Addergoole parish records
…I would be very grateful to connect. You can reply here or email me directly at dannymchale@hotmail.com.
Thank you all for your help, and special thanks to the RootsChat community—this is where real breakthroughs happen!
Warm regards,
Danny McHale
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Hi Danny,
Unfortunately if the birth year was truly 1844, it looks like the baptism record is not available, 1841 skips to 1845 in the records for Crossmolina. However, even though you may need some additional work to verify family links, it is probably worth looking up other McHale baptisms around those years for possible parents/townland for Michael.
For example on page 42 (linked here (https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634611?locale=en#page/42/mode/1up)) there is a Kitty (?), parents James McHale and Mary Mulligan, from it looks like Ballina St? (in the town of Crossmolina itself?). So that might be useful to look into any other records for that family.
If you have a subscription to a site with transcriptions of the baptism records you can search that, but I find it can be useful to scour page by page if you have the parish and time frame. As there are transcription errors or also entries missed. Indeed on one family I was researching, I found the entire series of baptisms in USA transcribed from the family bible into the parish baptism record! (upon family's return to Ireland) A big help verifying (though that's an exceptional find I will absolutely admit!) All the same - definitely worth looking through the pages on nli site.
John O'Hart includes in Irish Pedigrees a genealogy for MacHale of Tubbernavine, down to one of the Archbishops of Tuam, John MacHale (wikipedia article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_MacHale)). See PDF on wikimedia (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/Irish_pedigrees%3B_or%2C_The_origin_and_stem_of_the_Irish_nation_%28IA_cu31924092516305%29.pdf) (page 232 of PDF) - though the later edition you might find elsewhere expands the footnote on the archbishop's choice of anglicised name.