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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: lunasidhe on Wednesday 23 March 05 16:59 GMT (UK)
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In researching my mothers side of the family, we have found there seems to be a connection between the Sherval and the Gordon names, but are not sure where or what it is. Any help would be appreciated in where to start looking.
thanks ;D
a newbie at this
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Hi
Im interested in the Sherval family too through my fathers side. My folks have done most of the research so Im not familiar with all the names but I dont recognise Gordon (or a Scottish connection) so am very interested. Our Shervals appear to come from the Reading area, but there are spelling issues the further you go back. What year are you looking at?
regards
Also a newbie!
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Where are you from?
I know 3 Sherval brothers, Ernest, William and Arthur, all from Reading, born in the late 19th century.
Ernest died in WWI. William moved to Western Canada but the family lost track of him. As for Arthur, he moved to Kapuskasing, Ontario.
I'm not sure but there may have been other siblings as well.
Oh and we also have the same problems with the spelling of the name the further you go back.
Im pretty sure the name dates back to Huguenot weavers.
Send me a PM if any of this is familiar.
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Found another brother!
Frank Sherval, oh and they all lived on Kings Road in Reading.
EDIT: He like the other three brothers fought in WWI. From what I know Ernest was in the Roayl Berkshire Brigade and Frank was in Yomenry.
'Nother EDIT: I probably should add, I'm Ernest's great grandson.
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Hello Scorpius
We should probably move this conversation to the Berkshire area! I never got a reply to the Scottish connection. I will ask my folks about the four brothers - I suspect I am related through William (I think he is buried in Canada).
Anyway, very interested to hear from you.
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Arthur Sherval died in Kapuskasing in 1961 at the age of 80. His wife was Mabel Helen Higgs and she was born in Reading, England in 26 November 1883, and died in Kapuskasing in 1962 at the age of 78. My grandmother, Helen Laura Watling (Sherval) was Arthur Sherval's daughter. They moved to St Lambert, Quebec from Reading, then to Pembroke, and then North Bay, and finally moved and lived in Kapuskasing. She married Cedric Stanely Gordon Watling in 1930 or 1931 in Kapuskasing where she lived until her death in April or may of 1996 at the age of 84. My mother, Jean Mabel Watling, one of two twins born in 1934, married Robert Donald Grant, and they have three children, brother Michael Gordon Ross Grant born 1953, myself Deborah Jean (Micallef-divorced) Grant 1955, and Katherine Ann Grant 1957.
Arthur also had a son, Donald Sherval, and another daughter Hazel. Donald died when I very young, leaving behind two children, both of whom live in Kapuskasing still. Hazel Mary Sherval married John Robinson, lived for many years in Kingston, before they moved back to Kapuskasing, where she died childless in 1995, He had died a few years previous to her death.
Would be interested in any information which you have on the Shervals. I do know of relatives who used to live in Toronto, not sure where they are at present though, my third cousin Barbara Sherval who married Ivo Uhlir (spelling?) who immegrated from Cheksovakia. Her fathers name was Alec Sherval, and he lived in england, and served in the Royal Air Force during the war. His wifes name was Silvia. Both are deceased for some years now.
Ohh, according to my mom, the Sherval and Gordon names are not related thru Scotland as far as she knows. She said my great grandfather always said that the Shervals did possibly come from France, and they came over with the Normans when they invaded England.
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Further information on the Shervals
The four brothers mentione previously are from this group of siblings. I dont have Ernest as a first name but it may be Henry using a second name perhaps or one we didnt know about.
Frank b 1874 (His son George worked out of Papua New Guinea for a long while and his two sons Peter and John now live in Australia)
Sarah b 1876
William b 10 Oct 1877 (My great Grandfather, d. 4 Apr 1954 Edmonton Alberta)
Henry b 1879
Arthur b. 1881
Laura b 1883
Their father was William Francis Shervell/Sherval b. 8 Nov 1845 d. 1909
(it is Sherval on the wedding certificate, Shervell is on the birth certificate and may be best guess of registrar's). His occupation was 'coffee house keeper' of "The British Workman" coffee house, Kings Road, Reading
He was married twice. We think first wife was Mary Ann died 1872 aged 26. He then married Laura Willats on 2 June 1873 (she was born 1852 an d Sept 1922)
Now his father was William Sherval/Shervill/Shervell. On his Marriage certificate (2nd August 1838) he signs it X, ie he cant write, so its Shervill. He is a Gardener (He is also a gardener on his son's birth certificate but the spelling has changed to Shervell). He resides at 35 Hosier Street and his father is John Shervill Carpenter.
Things get tantalising with John Shervill, Carpenter. We have found a John Shurvil or Shorvil, Carpenter of Hurley in the parish register and two marriages. It appears he marries Elizabeth Goodchild of Medmenham in 1788 then marries Elizabeth House 16 Feb 1801. X was his mark so spelling again is very variable. There are a number of London Shervals (see Census of 1901 for a chunk of them living in Camberwell/Bermondsey) and this seems to be where they spring from. Whether we are connected has been difficult to prove beyond reasonable doubt. One bit of circumstantial evidence is the names William Francis and John reappear very regularly. Hope this helps.
Regards
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According to the British Vital Records, there were a few Shivill/Shivell/Sheivill/Shervill families living in Jedburgh in Roxburghshire between 1656 and 1691. (1691 being the last entered birth)
Anne
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Hi apanderson
Thanks for the post. Very kind.
Interesting point you raise by finding these Roxburghshire spellings. I have no idea what the surname means or refers to. It seems very variable. I would imagine it would be unusual for there to be a connection between the Reading area and Jedburgh in the 17th cnetury but is there a common root for the surname - an occupation, a village name or even a corruption of another name. I just do not know. I came across a type of soil in Oregon called Sherval but it turned out to be a corruption of Sherman Valley! The similarity to the French word for horse (Cheval) seems very tenuous as a root. Norman stable lads anyone? And as far as I can tell from other sites there is no Hugenot surname thta comes close.
By the by, how do you access the British Vital Record (Indeed, what is the British Vital Record?!?)
Regards
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Hi Bohumil,
The British Vital Records are a set of CD's produced by LDS and contain Births and a few marriages from civil and church records from 1530 up to around 1855 (when the statutory registrations began).
A fantastic resource but like everything else and for you own peace of mind, you still have to try and verify names and dates etc. Each entry gives a FHL Film number which I presume to be the Family History Library Frame/Microfilm number. The entries look like this one:
SHERVILL, William
Gender: Male
Birth Date:
Christening Date: 3 Aug 1679
Recorded in: Jedburgh, Roxburgh, Scotland
Father: Thomas SHERVILL
Mother:
Source: FHL Film 1067943 Dates: 1642 - 1737
You can also do a parent search and 'hopefully' find other siblings born to each set of parents but unfortnately in a lot of the older entries, there is no mother listed so if there were two or three men with the same name, there would be no way of teling one from the other.
The cost of this set is around 20 GBP and I think it's well worth it!
If you want any lookups done on any of the Shervall (and variations), I'd be only too pleased to do them for you.
Anne
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This is the first time at this sort of thing. My mothers Madden name is Sherval and she is the daughter of George Edward Bertrum Sherval of Reading Berkshire and his wifes Madden name is Brightman. My Gt Grandfather was one of the first to be killed in Ireland around 1917 and is laid to rest in Henley.
I see you have information on Georges 2 sons, but no mention of his daughter. I would like to pass on news to my mother of this as she has all the history. I hope you go on line at some time so we can share some of the history behind this Naval Family.
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Deborah
The Gordon name is through your Watling family as I'm also related to you through the Watlings
Vince
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So I found out on my recent trip up to Kapuskasing for my second cousin's wedding. ;D I did come back with some information which I will post here likely tomorrow when I am free.
Deborah
Deborah
The Gordon name is through your Watling family as I'm also related to you through the Watlings
Vince
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Deborah
I'm related to you as I'm descended from Gilbert's sister Constance, I have our family tree if you contact me
Vince
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I can give you details of the BRIGHTMAN line of your grandmother Dorothy Sarah Brightman if it interests you.
Dave
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Yes that would be great
Thank you
Vince
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Will try to attatch Tree !Unsuccessful.
Dorothy Sarahb1908 dtr of William James12.2.1869- .11.1934and Sarah nee Freeman 1868-20.7.1944 wed 1897.William James was the son of James William1846-1919and Jemima Clements1845-1871 wed1868.Parents of James William were John Lewis Brightman 15.9.1818-28.6.1899 and Emma Durrant1821-1852 wed 1841.Parents of John Lewis were William1789-1839and Mary Simmons1781- ?wed1810.William was the son of Thomas1749-26.12.1845 and Ann Gibbs1761-1808 wed 13.10.1782.I can send comprehensive tree and persnal details for Thomas.Direct E Mail.
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I just checked G F Black's The Surnames of Scotland and there is no mention of any variant of Sh*rv*l in the book.
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Re. William James Brightman and his daughter Dorothy Sarah b1908 dtr of William James 12.2.1869- .11.1934and Sarah nee Freeman 1868-20.7.1944.
Dorothy was my maternal Grandmother , and she married George Edward Burtrum Sherval My mother Yevette D Sherval was the eldest of on of three children .
Do you have any information on the William James Brightmans service in the Merchant Navy? this was taken April 1914 in Dover