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I am trying to trace family info on Matthias Stanley Wallis b 1886, d1940, miner in Broken Hill, New South Wales. He emigrated from Penzance, Cornwall, I believe.
Any help would be much appreciated.
Cheers,
John
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Hi Myansome,
What information would you like?
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There is a Matthias S Wallis, proposed address in England (don't know where I got born from) Longrock? Penzance Cornwall, he is aged 35, on an incoming passenger list in 1922, ship Homeric, also a Mabel aged 33 a Housewife. I think it says he is a Butcher but I am not sure. Previous residence USA.
Tressle
ADDING - it does say intended place of future residence is England
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Hi Merlin ................. anything really!
Many hanks,
John
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I have found the same couple going back to USA in 1929 so probably not your man if he died in NSW, his is a Butler not a Butcher.
Last address was Penzance Cornwall. Going to New York on the BERENGARIA.
Tressle
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There is a Matthias S Wallis, proposed address in England (don't know where I got born from) Longrock? Penzance Cornwall, he is aged 35, on an incoming passenger list in 1922, ship Homeric, also a Mabel aged 33 a Housewife. I think it says he is a Butcher but I am not sure. Previous residence USA.
Tressle
ADDING - it does say intended place of future residence is England
This is another, my Dad's Uncle Stan who previously emigrated to New York. So this is very helpful addition in his case. He could have been visiting the Matthias, his uncle that I'm searching for.
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I have found the same couple going back to USA in 1929 so probably not your man if he died in NSW, his is a Butler not a Butcher.
Last address was Penzance Cornwall. Going to New York on the BERENGARIA.
Tressle
Hi tressle,
Yes, he was a Butler
so not the one I'm searching for
Cheers
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Can you tell me where you got 1940 as his death from?
Also do you have his parents names, was he married & any idea when he might have emigrated?
Sorry for all the questions but anything you have is a help :)
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There is a WW1 USA draft registration for a Stanley Mathias Wallace (sic), born February 22nd 1886 in England. This is probably the same man as he is a Butler. Mother is Mrs Jane Wallace.
So can we rule this chap in the USA out.
Tressle
Sorry only just seen your post above - sorry to be so thick but just to clarify there were two Matthias Stanley Wallis's born in 1886 in Cornwall - one was the uncle of the other.
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Can you tell me where you got 1940 as his death from?
Also do you have his parents names, was he married & any idea when he might have emigrated?
Sorry for all the questions but anything you have is a help :)
It's a joy really!
The one that has been found is the namesake of the one we are searching for . The one we are searching for would have been possibly born in the 1850's. He had William, George, John Pearce (my great grandfather), Albert and Aldridge as brothers and Mar, Fances, Jessie and Evelyna as sisters. The liklihood is that they would have been born in St Buryan, West Cornwall as their father owned the King's Arms there.
Cheers,
John
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Hi
I think you have confused the issue because your initial thread said he was born in 1886. (I am trying to trace family info on Matthias Stanley Wallis b 1886, d1940, miner in Broken Hill, New South Wales. He emigrated from Penzance, Cornwall, I believe.)
So the one we are looking for was born in the 1850's?
Tressle
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Yes, sorry........................ too many Matthias's and even more John's!
We can rule out the USA Matthias. But the additional info was great!
We are looking for his Uncle presumably born in the 1850's who emigrated to we think Broken Hill, New South Wales.
Sorry, Guys
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I have found a Mathias Wallis born St Buryan Cornwall, 1854, on the 1871 census. So looking at his siblings etc I think he is the man we are after. Can't see him immediately after 1871 so he could have gone after that.
Tressle
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So, you have no idea if he did emigrate or die in 1940 at Broken Hill, NSW?
Your original post: Matthias Stanley Wallis b 1886, d1940, miner in Broken Hill, New South Wales
I am just checking, because I had already searched for him & couldn't find a death or burial near that date.
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So, you have no idea if he did emigrate or die in 1940 at Broken Hill, NSW?
Your original post:
Yes, we know from family that he did emigrate to Broken Hill. We also are fairly certain that he remained in Australia, possibly married a person called Grace. and certainly had one daughter, again called Grace. He had another brother who emigrated to South Africa.
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His parents names please?
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No death for a Matthias Wallis on the NSW BDM up to 1979.
A couple of Matthew's, but I don't think they are him...
WALLIS MATTHEW E J d. 1911 DUBBO - Parents: WILLIAM H & BRIDGET A M #1302
WALLIS MATTHEW age 64yrs d. 1933 NORTH SYDNEY - Parents: UNKNOWN #18988
Cannot find a marriage of a Matthias Wallis or a birth with a father listed as Matthias Wallis.
I have looked though all my cd's but you can check online here:
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/search.htm
Also nothing at Broken Hill Cemetery for him.
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His parents names please?
Matthias Wallis(h) b 8th Feb 1824
Alice Pearce
They lived in St Buryan, married 9th January 1849
The family named changed from Wallish to Wallis
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Matthias does appear with the family in St Buryan until 1871 as WALLISH/WALLIS. Then Alice is alone with the younger children in 1881 Widowed - WALLIS. Matthias buried 16 Mar 1878 aged 54. There were two sons named Matthias one born soon after marriage who died young buried 26 Dec 1851 aged 3 and a second one born in 1853 or 4. (baptised 24 Dec 1854.) Looks like birth Jun 1/4 1853 5c 374
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
St Buryan Records
http://west-penwith.org.uk/buryan.htm
marriage was in Gulval
http://west-penwith.org.uk/gulmar2.htm
Cornwall census is Free Online http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,144624.0.html
I don't see the name Stanley listed in any of these records.
Cheers Kris :)
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Adding to what Merlin has tried just letting you know I also can find no record of this person being in Broken Hill either. There is no marriage or death or burial listed for him. . I checked SA also in case this alleged death in 1940 happened over the border and nothing there either. He does not appear in any NSW Electoral Rolls
Cheers Kris :)
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Hi
This reference to MATTHIAS WALLIS in the Sydney Morning Herald newspaper of Feb 1939 may refer to your man.
It is a LEGAL NOTICE and says he was known as JOHN WALLIS and has died in SYDNEY
It refers to anyone having claims to his assets etc.
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/17565633?searchTerm=%22matthias+wallis%22
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MMM Good find this looks interesting Sue. Its not Broken Hill but it is Matthias about the right time.
John WALLIS is at 56 Albian St in the 1933 Electoral Roll - Retired. No other Wallis' present.
No luck so far with other entries although in 1930 I do find a John WALKER at the address - a Miner. No other Walkers listed at the premises.
He is there in 1933, 1936 and 37 also
aha 1937 we have John WALLACE No Occ also at the address
Cheers Kris :)
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MMmm...
Can't help thinking there is "something going on" with this man ???
So, this is the death...??
In 1939 WALLACE MATHIAS, father MATHIAS mother ALICE at GRANVILLE reg.1907
Sue
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certainly him Sue...right parents. ;D
and they knew he was Matthias (but known as John) as per the newspaper item. ;D
Cheers Kris :)
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Thanks Guys. Incredible stuff! The family farm in St Buryan had been sold by their father as mortgages were on it. Their father Matthias was the Innkeeper at the Kings Arms, St Buryan. Their grandfather John was a farmer and had inherited Trevorgans Farm late in life. His brother George also emigrates to Australia and I'm told goes to Broken Hill to the Gold mines. Albert emigrates to South Africa, John Pearce (my great grandfather) joins the Royal Navy and Coaostguard; William, Frances, Elizabeth, JessieEvelina, Ellen and Aldrdge, unknown as yet. So George is also somewhere out there with you. George was born in 24 Oct 1858 in St Buryan.
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George H Wallis died Sydney 1918 #4247
Parents Matthias and Alice
Annie
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George H Wallis died Sydney 1918 #4247
Parents Matthias and Alice
Annie
Thanks Annie. Much appreciated.
Cheers,
John
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Wonder what George was doing there? Fascinating
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George H WALLIS was still with his mother, Alice, in Cornwall in 1881, but not with her in 1891 - looks like the death found by Annie is for the right person.
Judith
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Brill stuff!
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Hi Myansome,
The name of one of the brothers you have given is incorrect. EDIT A closer reading shows you did not print an incorrect name, the William & Francis are seperate people.
His proper name was WILLIAM RUFUS WALLIS not William Francis Wallis.
He too came to Australia and it is HE who married the woman named GRACE (so often a basis of fact in a family tale)
GRACE GRENFELL
They had a family in Queensland between 1882 and 1895.
there was indeed a daughter named GRACE
One of the sons named LOUIS MATHIAS WALLIS enlisted for ww1 and you can read his record digitised.
http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/ResearcherScreen.asp
It tells a lot about the family including addresses and that his mother was widowed in 1918.
Here is WILLIAM's death in NSW
1918 WALLIS WILLIAM R father MATTHIAS mother ALICE at PETERSHAM reg.9888
And GRACE's(probably)
In 1946 WALLIS, GRACE father RICHARD PEIRE motherMARY JANE at WAVERLEY reg. 13974 .
Sue
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1889 Albert HenryWallis father William Rufus mother Grace Granfell reg.7745
1892Laura AnnieWallis father William Rufus mother Grace Grenfel reg.8735
1884William RufusWallis father William Rufus mother Grace Grenfell reg.5668
1882Cassey DianaWallis father William K. mother Grace Grenville reg.1149
1883 Ellen Wallis father William Rufus mother Grace Grenfell reg.5334
1890 Grace Grenfell Wallisf ather William Rufus mother Grace Grenfell reg.9273
1887 William Richard Wallis father William Rufus mother Grace Granfell reg.6624
1895 Lucy (sic) MatthaisWallis father William Rufus mother Grace Grenfield reg.6624
(This is LOUIS/LEWIS)
https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/BirIndexQry.m
Sue
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Hi Again,
Looking for a marriage for GRACE and WILLIAM without success, it seems they married before their arrival into Queensland.
Here are the Immigration details.
WALLIS, GRACE. Age 21 29/1/1882 Per SCOTTISH WIZARD. IMM/116 626 Z1959 M1698
WALLIS WILLIAM Age 21. Details as above.
WALLIS, CASSY DIANA, infant. Details as above.
Sue
ADDING. Wonder if baby CASSY was born on the ship as we have her birth registered in QLD.
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The Grenfell/Wallis marriage
Marriages Mar quarter 1881
GRENFELL Grace at Penzance 5c 341
same page as..
WALLISH William Rufus
Sue
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Thanks, Sue, so very much. That is a tremendous piece of research and I am really grateful.
I'll now follow this through.
Cheers,
John
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Hi John.
Glad it was a help.
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/search?adv=y
Here I have noted the Funeral Notices, 3 of them, placed in the Sydney Morning Herald on 3/8/1918 relating to WILLIAM RUFUS WALLIS
1. Mrs GRACE WALLIS of 48 Westbourne St. Petersham invites......friends... her dear husband
2.Friends of...Mrs T ALLEN ( this is dau. CASSY DIANA), Mrs H. KNIGHT ( this is dau.ELLEN) Mrs J. CUDDIHY ( this is dau. LAURA) Mr LOU. WALLIS (this is son LOUIS) and Mr BERT WALLIS (ALBERT perhaps) invite them ..... our dear father.
{The marriages for these people can be found on the Qld and NSW indexes, the links for which you have.}
3. Friends of Mr JOHN WALLIS and MR and MRS C EDWARDS invite them ......their dear BROTHER.
So it seems there was another WALLIS sibling in Australia (female)
As has been posted,GEORGE HENRY WALLIS died in 1918 too.
There was a Legal Notice in the Sydney Morning Herald of 8th August 1918. It tells us he was a ganger of Petersham.
Interestingly the Sands Directory of 1895 shows GEORGE WALLIS at 20 Windsor Rd. Petersham
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JOHN WALLIS at 18 Windsor Rd Petersham.
Perhaps it is them ;D
Sue