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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: harewoodhouse on Friday 02 April 10 03:27 BST (UK)
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looking to find any and all inf regarding Mary Hayes who was a convict on the Glatton 1803, she had with her Martha her daughter and Henry her husband followed her out there. Martha I know became a mistress to LT John Bowen (although by my reckoning she would of been about 13) and had 2 children to him, they were part of the group that were the first settlers of Tasmania...does anyone know what happened to Martha and her children ? where Mary Maria Hayes nee De Knight is buried ? I know she remarried after Henry died? would love to make contact with any of her family :o
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Looks like her 2nd husband was Stocker
Info here
http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?detail=1&type=P&id=444040
Annie
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Martha's family details are on the Tas archives site given by Annie. She died in 1871 as Martha WILLIAMSON, and her death notice is here
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/8864923?searchTerm=martha%20williamson and also personal info here http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/8864919?searchTerm=martha%20williamson (top of column 6)
Debra
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Martha seems to have had a few surnames and/or husbands :D
Annie
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wow thanks guys...yes I think some fudging of the truth has been done as my dates say she was younger then 17 when she landed and there is no mention of the fact that she had been bowens mistress on the way out or that she had been married to andrew whitehead...wonder how long she waited before she remarried lol
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look what I found
On the night of the 17th of November the premises of Mr. Thomas Hayes, at Bagdad, was attacked at a time when Mr. W. Stocker and wife, and Mr. Andrew Whitehead (the former on their route from Hobart Town to Port Dalrymple, with a cart containing a large and valuable property), had unfortunately put up at the house for the night. Michael Howe was the chief of this banditti, which consisted of eight others. The property of which they plundered Mr. and Mrs. Stocker, on this occasion, was of upwards of £300 value; among which were two kegs of spirits. One of these a member of the gang wantonly wasted by firing a pistol ball through the head of the keg, which contained 11 gallons. They set their watches by Mr. Whiteheads, which they afterwards returned to him, but took Mr. Stacker's away with their other plunder. Mr. Wade, Chief Constable of Hobart Town, had stopped with the others at Mr. Hayes's, but hearing a noise which he considered to denote the ap- proach of bush-rangers, he prudently attended to the admonition, and escaped their fury, which it was concluded would have fallen heavily upon him, as they are at variance with all conditions in life that are ini-mical to their crimes.
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OH good find:)
Not sure how many children you have found.
I have Henrietta 1804 and Martha Charlotte 1805 to John Bowen.
Then Mary 1813 and Andrew 1820 to Andrew Whitehead.
Annie
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This is an interesting read on the Hayes family
www.allenandunwin.com/_uploads/BookPdf/Extract/9781742372051.pdf
"With him was his lover, Martha Hayes, who was described by a visiting Irishman in late 1805, Joseph Holt, as the “prettiest violet that I saw growing at the Derwent."
http://members.iinet.net.au/~rwatson1/bowen/risdon_cove.htm
Charlotte Martha married Robert Stocker GARRETT
http://www.users.on.net/~ahvem/page3/page11/page60/page61/page61.html
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A very interesting read ;D ......marrying the 20 yo policeman :o
I notice in resources when Martha married Andrew Whitehead 13 June 1811, she was Martha Hayes QUINN..............another husband between Bowen and Whitehead??
I can't find the marriage.
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WHAT...QUINN!!! thats very VERY interesting...Quinn is the family that the de knights mary marias maiden name before she became hayes ( marys sister martha married tobias quinn) keep marrying into :o I wonder if one of my Quinns went over there after her or she just chose that name as it was so interlocked with her own family name...please see if you can find out more I just cany believe the stuff you have found my head is swimming!! here I have been worried about the little girl left behind on the mean streets of london and by all accounts she has been having a whale of a time in VDL... lol oh boy my mother in law is going to love this ;)
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??? oh just had a thought what if it turns out that she is calling herself martha hayes quinn because she has found out hayes wasnt her real father...but one of the quinn boys was???? and that henry hayes might of died before her wedding so she felt like going back to her real fathers name??? that could put a spin on it...what do you think
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martha de knight and tobias quinn have a son james he married one of the de knight girls called margaret and tobias had 2 brothers so one of them could of got mary preggers although patrick was married but his wife hannah accidentally fell down some stairs well thats what the court case said when he was charged with her murder and straight after that he disappears from london...could it be patrick was the father ??? hmm
http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t17990220-32&div=t17990220-32&terms=quinn#highlight
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LOL
as I said, I can't find a Quinn marriage but what you now tell us makes sense re why she used QUINN!
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in another court case in may 1800
http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18000528-1-person53&div=t18000528-1#highlight
it is given that martha the daughter is
"Q. What age is this little girl? - A. Between ten and eleven.
Q. You are training her up early? - A. I never bought any thing in my life before; my wife keeps the shop, and my business is out-door."
but in 1803 her age is given as 17??? and she is bowens mistress ::) it does not add up
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oh yes that must be it just checked my records from what I have martha was born in 1790...mary her mother did not marry henry hayes till the jan of 1791...so a quinn boy could of been the father!..just checking records and it couldnt be thomas quinn as he is transported for 7 years for stealing 2 hankies and tea cups thats in 1761 so that only leaves tobias who is married to marys sister martha or patrick unless there is another brother I havent found...hmm the plot thickens
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where would someone be deported to in 1761??? in the court case they spell quin with one n but I know it is the right quinn as james chambers purgers himself for him and james was a family friend and is mentioned in one of the wills...oh what a bunch of thieves lol..lucky they were not all like that ...tobias and martha had two children and they were both upstanding citizens and ran what came to be known as local landmarks of london...and thats the branch my hubbies from lol and you couldnt get more honest then him!
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To clear up the age of Martha Hayes daughter of Mary Maria Hayes nee De Knight/Danight. When Martha remarries after the death of her first husband Andrew Whitehead (1832, aged 64), she tells the minister that she is 50 years old. She married a young police clerk from the township of Brighton Tasmania, which is not very far from where she lived with her first husband Andrew, at Herdsman Cove. The marriage of Bernard (Barnard) Williamson to Martha Whitehead occurred on the 7th January 1836, his age is recorded as 20, her's 50. The "Cornwall Chronicle" reported the marriage in their 16th January 1836 edition.
More often than not an older woman would put her age down when there was such a big age difference, but in Martha's case I don't think she did .... I think she was being honest. So, I believe she was born sometime in 1785, or very early in 1786.
Her death on 14th May 1871 she is recorded as being 84, she died at the home of her daughter Mary Devine nee Whitehead, "The Lea", Kingston, Tasmania. The "Mercury" reported that except for one woman, Martha Williamson was the last of the first settlers.
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Hi,
Not sure if this will help.
http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?detail=1&type=P&id=292663
Johngirl
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Hi yes my problem is that in a court case of 1800 Marthas age is recorded as being 10 or 11 so that makes her only 13 or 14 when she goes with her mother on board the ship, and as we know she has an affair with LT Bowen and gets pregnant...it is not such a stretch to believe they fudged her age to make it more respectable and once declared her age as 17 in australia was thereafter 3 or 4 years older then she really was...the other alternative was that they lied in court making her younger then she really was, although the judge does say small girl, so that she was not tried for receiving also? but children much younger were tried and deported so I dont know if that is the answer. the other thing is that with time if you have adopted your age and tell everyone that you were born in such and such you might actually come to believe it yourself, we are not talking about highly educated people here, I know that Martha Marys sister couldn't even sign her own name . The other interesting thing I have found is a CHRISTENING record for a Martha HayNes Quinn it is from St James Westminster so right church father is down as James Quinn and mother is Mary which fit... the only problem is it is dated 24 MAY 1802 so I am thinking that it cant be her...but then I think what if James takes Martha as a 12-13 year old and has her christened just in case she dies on the voyage? As her mother was sentenced for deportation on the 20th MAY 1802 ???WHAT DO YOU THINK?
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Image of this baptism on 24 May 1802 shows dob Aug 20 1789 which would fit with age 13 on voyage and birth predates marriage to Henry Hayes....(06 Nov 1791).. interesting
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Image of this baptism on 24 May 1802 shows dob Aug 20 1789 which would fit with age 13 on voyage and birth predates marriage to Henry Hayes....(06 Nov 1791).. interesting
WOW where did you find the image ? would you be able to attach it for me please pretty please...so that does fit with her being younger, does it say who was there with her???it must of been James as Mary would of been in Newgate and Henry would of had Hayes his name spelled right...
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I have a feeling Henry couldn't have kids, as they never have another child...another aside...martha, marys big sister married tobias quinn, well they had a son James, and James married his cousin Margaret De Knight who was Marys brother John's daughter (told you they liked to keep it close) anyway James and Margaret have a son they called Albion ( I wonder if it was after the name of the boat auntie Mary sailed on)and a daughter called Margaret...Albion took over running a famous fishmongers shop on the Haymarket that was in thier family for 100 years and Margaret got a place further up the road when she married John Scott, got her oysters cheap off Albion no doubt and that is how one of Londons most famous landmarks Scott's Restaurant started. When Margaret died her only child Margaret sold the restaurant for a small fortune and married well.