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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: louisemccrea on Thursday 01 April 10 21:19 BST (UK)
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Hi
I hope someone can help me i have a death cert for one of my ancestors he died in 1909 in Londons Land Newmains. He was just a baby but i don't know why he was over there as his family lived in Whiteinch in Glasgow. I am wondering what is in Londons Land was there any hospitals or anything.
Thanks Louise ;D
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Does the death certificate mention his usual address?
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A "Land" in Scots is a tenement building - possibly visiting relatives.
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There was a LOUDON'S LAND in Newmains, it would have been a "land of houses", usually but not always, a tenement.
Was your child named Robert A Macrae by any chance?
And, was the name Armstrong a connection?
Lodger
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There was a LOUDON'S LAND in Newmains, it would have been a "land of houses", usually but not always, a tenement.
Was your child named Robert A Macrae by any chance?
And, was the name Armstrong a connection?
Lodger
The term "Land" has been used for a number of buildings but its original meaning is a multi storey building -
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Hi everyone
Thanks for the responses. It gave his address as 1135 Dumbarton road. Lodger you are right it is Robert Armstrong McCrae his mother was Susan Armstrong. I was wondering if the Armstrongs were from Newmains but i am unsure they may be Irish.
Louise
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Hi Louise,
The burial records for Cambusnethan cemetery state that "Robert A Macrae, abode Newmains, aged 10 months, was interred in lair number 1745 of section E on 13th September 1909. The lair owner was William James Armstrong, engineman. Loudon's Land, Main St, Newmains.
Robert's parents are listed as Archibald Macrae and Susan Armstrong.
There were a few Armstrong families around Newmains, Joseph Armstrong and Margaret Johnston. Adam Armstrong and Margaret Thomson. Joseph Armstrong and Margaret Donald.
Main Street Newmains later became Manse Road. It is a continuation of Cambusnethan Street. All along this street were single-storey buildings, Loudon's Land being one of them. Another was Bryson's Land where my great-grandfather was born, I have a photograph of it (too large to post, sorry) it was a long row with about 4 houses on the front and a similar 4 at the back.
My grandmother's uncle owned and lived in a two storey tenement building consisting of 2 houses on the ground floor and 2 upstairs (flats or apartments - whatever you like to call them nowadays). That building was called Paterson's Land and it was in Dalziel Street Motherwell. It was still in the family until it was demolished in the 1960s but by then the term "land" had fallen into disuse and it was known as Paterson's building.
Good luck with your research.
Lodger.
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Lodger, are you familiar with a house called "Whitestripe", the home of the Russell's of Newmains? does it still exist......Skoosh.
A Land was originally a narrow strip of land or "Lang Rig" the width of a house, stretching back from a street. As the town, and population pressure grew, this resulted in storeyed development. Often the buildings at the rear accessed by a Pend through the ground floor.
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Hi
Thanks everyone. Lodger thanks for all the extra bits that will help me find the Armstrongs i thought they may have been from Fermanagh as the McCreas married with Armstrongs over there. It is also interesting to see the change in the McCrea spelling it must of been Archibald who done this i know someone done it as they thought it made them sound more Scottish and make getting work easier it has been changed back again.
Just one thing how did you know that was who i was looking for.
Thanks Louise ;D
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Skoosh,
I don't know if Whitestripe is still there, it may have changed its name in the intervening 100 years. According to the Wishaw 1893 directory, Whitestripe was occupied by Robert Russell, mineral manager.
In the same directory the firm of Loudon and Russell was listed as "Brick and Tile and Fireclay Manufacturers, Allanton, Morningside".
A good free site to check out is this http://www.scotek.net/home.htm
It has a good message board and old photographs. The guy who owns it is a Newmains man so he may know more about Whitestripe.
I like your definition of "Land", it makes sense.
Lodger.
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Thanks Lodger, that looks an interesting site (the Body in the Bog etc') will go through it when I get a mo', somebody told me Whitestripe was now a pub. The Russell's (not keen on the demon drink) put up the cash for a church "Russell Memorial" and were inter-related to the other iron/steel barons in Lanarkshire, cheers...Skoosh.
Re' the "Lands" the High Streets in Edinburgh, Glasgow, Stirling etc' were all laid out in this fashion, now much altered, but it can still be seen, as laid out, in the old Cumbernauld Village for example.
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Skoosh
Whitestripe House was the convent on Bonkle Road.
The area Whitestripe was where Cryndledyke Cresc is ( The Honkey)
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Thanks for that Deebel, I believe old man Russell would knock on the doors and tell his wayward tenants that the windows needed cleaning etc'.
Skoosh.
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http://www.dmm.org.uk/whoswho/t006.htm
Durham Mining Museum Whos who lists Wm H Telfer, Managing Director of the Coltness Iron Co. Ltd. as living at Whitestripe House in 1933
deebel
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Found when getting drainage put in 😃