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John McMartin/Martin married Margaret Leitch 1828, N. Knapdale.
John's parents were Hugh MacMartin and Flora Crawford, married Glassary 1777.
Margaret,s parents John Leitch and Ann Morrison, married 1790, Glassary.
Any info. on these families would be greatly appreciated.
Bridget
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What info do you have already?
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I have quite a bit on the families. What I was hoping to do was go further back i.e Hugh and Flora's parents and John and Ann's parents.
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http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/
Have you tried this website? I'm not quite sure if it has all the records but it is a guide to what might be available during a certain period. It looks as though Glassary christening records may not begin until 1750.
The only Hugh I could come up with on Scotland's People christened between 1700 and 1760 was a Heugh McMartin chr 15 Apr 1739, Inverary.
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Thanks for that, I'll have a look.
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Just came across your post. I'm researching my family from John Leitch and Anne Morrison, married 1790. I'm wondering if you're still looking for any information.
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Hi, I would be grateful for any further information of the family that you might have.
Likewise if there is anything I can help you with just let me know.
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I've obviously come to this post late but if you're still interested in Martin/Leitch descendants, I can let you have details relating to their daughter Flora Martin. Equally, I'd be grateful if you could share any details you might have on other siblings.
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Hi ormelo, I would be grateful for any info. on this family.
I will check my files to see if there is anything that might help your research.
Thanks.
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OK, Without going in to detail of all the records I have (birth/marriage/death/census etc) here's a quick run down of what I've got. John Leitch married to Ann Morrison and seven children, of which one is Margaret. Margaret married to John Martin and two children, of which one is Flora. Flora married to James Brown and six children of which one is Ann. Ann Brown married to Duncan Ormiston and five children. You may have all of this detail already, but if not and if it's of any interest, let me know. Obviously, I've got a lot more from Duncan Ormiston (my great grandfather) onwards.
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Thanks, I've got most of the info. refferring to the line I'm following which is John Martin whose parents were Hugh Martin & Flora Crawford. I think that John Martin and Margaret Leitch had a 3rd child called Mary.
This is all from memory as I haven't had time to look at my files. I'm going to be away for a few days but I'll dig them out when I get back. If you want any info. re my particular line I have quite a bit.
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You're right about the third Martin/Leitch child. That was finger trouble on my part. I should also have mentioned that although I have records showing a John Leitch and an Ann(e) Morrison as parents of seven children, I'm not convinced that all seven are actually siblings. I've got other records that suggest they're not. It'll be interesting to know what you've got.
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I have records for 6 births.... Mary 1793, Donald 1795, Ann 1798, Angus 1802, John 1806 Archibald 1816, but for some reason I don't have one for Margaret. In my records I have her born in 1801.
Something else of interest, on the death cert. of my g.g. grandfather John Martin it states that his parents were John Martin and Margaret Martin, previously Graham, maiden name Leitch. I also have a record of Marriage of Marg. Leitch to Dugald Graham 1822.
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I have the same 6 birth records you have, but have found no trace of them, or Margaret, in any census.
I have a death certificate (1887) for Margaret Martin, widow of John Martin, with parents John Leitch and Ann Morrison. The certificate has her age as 76, putting her year of birth @ 1811. Which sort of helped to bridge the gap between John and Archibald. The witness/informant of the death is stated as Donald McCorquodale, a son-in law, but I can find no record of any relevant marriage.
So there’s nothing that actually links Margaret Leitch to any of the other six children, other than common parents’ names. I bit disappointing, really. If you have anything to fill in gaps, that would be great.
As you know, my line goes from John Martin/Margaret Leitch through Flora Martin/ James Brown and Ann Brown/Duncan Ormiston. Where are you in all of this?
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I'm from Hugh Martin/Flora Crawford, John Martin/Margaret Leitch, John Martin/Margaret Morrison, John Martin/Christina Allen, George Martin/Matilda McIntyre.(my grandparents). My father was also a John Martin.
I also have the death cert. Stating Donald Mcorquodale as informant. I have a marriage cert. For Marg. Martin and Hugh Mcorquodale-1860, parents of Margaret were John Martin and Margaret Leitch, so that ties up.
I can't find a birth cert. for this Margaret but she is on a census for John and Margaret in1841.
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Well, that’s clarified a few things. When I started out, I had John Martin and Margaret Leitch with three children. I’d missed John (not sure how) but have now added him to Ann (1832), Flora (1833) and Mary (1841).
And now Margaret who, from the marriage certificate, was born around the same time as Ann and Flora. I wonder if there are any more, noting that the witnesses to the marriage were James and Hugh Martin?
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Yes it's very possible that there are more. I have nothing on Anne, can I ask where you found the info.?
I want to double check some dates because on the 1841 census Margaret was born 1841. I never completely trust the dates given on the certs.as I have found they can be incorrect.
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Sorry should have been Margaret born 1801.
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You can find Mary on the FamilySearch or ScotlandsPeople websites (and probably others). On FamilySearch, use
Last name – Martin
Birth Year – 1825 to 1845
Parents, Father’s First Name – John (tick exact)
Parents, Mother’s last name – Leitch (tick exact)
The search should bring up 4 results – John, Ann and Flora McMartin and Mary Martin. Although born Flora McMartin, her marriage certificate shows her (and her parents) surname as Martin. Any ideas as to the reason for the name change?
As for Margaret Leitch, I’ve not seen the 1841 census record for John and Margaret, but I did find an 1851 census record for Archibald and Margaret (she was aged 48 and therefore born @1803). Having looked again at the FamilySearch website, I’ve found Margaret Leitch birth records for both 1801 and 1803 but, while both were born in Glassary, the parent names were Peter and Mary Leitch (no maiden name) and John Leitch and Christian Black respectively.
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Ah , perhaps I've got the wrong family with the1841census. My thoughts were that the fact that she was stated as being previously named as Graham on my ancestors death cert. and I found a marriage for Marg. Leitch and Dugald Graham in 1822, it would have put her at the correct age to be able to marry. Whereas she would have been too young to marry had she been born in 1811. Also on this census there was a Dugald aged 20 who I thought might have beed a son she had with Dugald Graham, but it is so easy to follow the wrong path. You will find the 1841 census under the name of McMartine which I think was wrongly transcribed, but I could be wrong. Not sure why they went from McMartin to Martin. All very confusing, but I enjoy the detective work.
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While I have very little to add to your Martin/Leitch families of Glassary, I will throw this tidbit out there: Margaret Leitch married Alexander McTavish circa 1790 in Glassary (earliest child, Hugh McTavish born 1790). Their son, Lachlan MacTavish, was a member of the Kilmichael Glassary Church of Scotland. https://findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=cr&GSln=mctavish&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GScntry=50&GSob=n&CRid=2576305&df=all&pt=Kilmichael%20Glassary%20Parish%20Churchyard&
I was able to find her approximate year of birth from the 1841 census when she is living with her son Hugh McTavish. I believe she is buried in the Kilmory old graveyard but have yet to confirm the location (Kilmory estate or ?). Margaret MacTavish, 77, 1847 which roughly corresponds with the 1841 census dob of 1771. Since she died pre civil death registration, my trail has a roadblock.
Point of all this is John Leitch would be her contemporary ... brother? cousin?
As to the Grahams, there was a John Graham of Dougalston who married a Margaret Campbell heiress of Archibald Campbell of Shirvan in 1747 and he legally changed his name to Graham Campbell. This Graham Campbell family was living at Castleton, Argyll.
The Kilmichael Glassary records have gaps. Some may be due to lack of funds as there was a fee for baptismals (Lachlan was on a statutory labour list for the year of one of his children's births). Some may be due to lack of clergy as there are gaps between ministers. Some may be due to loss of registers. Kilmichael, Kilmartin, Ford churches have now been merged. http://argyllpresbytery.org.uk/parishes/
An Archibald (age 75) and wife? Margaret (age 65) Leitch family in the 1841 census at Balimore that was captured with my extended MacTavish family search.
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Thanks for the info. dishep, great research. There is a lot to absorb and check up on, but I will enjoy working on it. Are these your ancestors also?
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Sorry just noticed, you're researching the McTavish family.