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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lincolnshire => Topic started by: Djr on Sunday 28 March 10 19:08 BST (UK)
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My Great Grandfather was a publican at the Lord Nelson Inn in Horncastle in 1907, it is the building that is now the Post Office.
He died soon afterwards but I know absolutely nothing about him apart from his name Henry Hunt and his fathers name William, from his marriage certificate, I would guess that he might have been born 1870's.
Does anyone know of a resource somewhere that has more information on Publicans in that time frame so I can hopefully know more about him and be able to identify him in the census'.
Thanks
Dave
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He died soon afterwards
How soon afterwards? Pre or post 1911?
If he was still alive in 1911 - have you looked for him on the 1911 census? It is pay per view but will give you his birthplace
The marriage cert should tell you his age which will give his birthyear
Who did he marry - Ruth Foston, Fanny Gindern or Mary Isabel White
What was his fathers occupation on the marriage cert
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The 1901 has a Henry Hunt unmarried aged 27 b Southwick Hampshire who was a licensed Victualler at the Golden Lion in Southwick
Was Henry a bachelor when he married as there is another entry for a Henry Hunt b 1869 Bethnal Green Beer & wine house keeper but he was married to Alice - no children
Also - Henry Hunt 35 Brewer b Birmingham - single
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His marriage certificate will not necessarily give his age.....are you assuming he married in 1907, Carole?
Dave, if you post all the information you have from the marriage certifcate, including witnesses and occupations, it will give us more to go on.
I have found a few deaths of Henry Hunts in Lincolnshire shortly after 1907, but they are all quite old.
This might mean that he married later in life, or indeed twice??
There is a Henry Hunt on the 1901 census with father William & mother Elizabeth living in Wootton Lincs. His birth year was c1874.....could this be him?
Sue
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There is a Henry Hunt on the 1901 census with father William & mother Elizabeth living in Wootton Lincs. His birth year was c1874.....could this be him?
That Henry was a farm labourer
are you assuming he married in 1907, Carole?
There is a freebmd marriage entry for 1907 - see my reply above. He died soon afterwards but I know absolutely nothing about him apart from his name Henry Hunt and his fathers name William, from his marriage certificate, I would guess that he might have been born 1870's.
Either 1907 was his marriage year or the info re: his occupation came from a child's birth cert in 1907
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The Henry Hunt born 1874 ish living at Wootton, Glanford Brigg, is still living in the Glanford Brigg district on the 1911 census :-\
ricky
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I think we have gone as far as we can on this until we get the answers from Djr
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Thanks for your responses so far. I know about the Henry Hunt in Wootton, I cant see that this farm labourer would be running a pub a few years earlier. Though my cousin is convinced it is him.
His wife Ann Maria Parker died in 1908, my grandmother who was 2 years old at the time went to live with her grandmother. Henry just disappeared.
I am working on the assumption that he died as that is what I have been told. It is interesting that on his wifes death certificate (a death which he did not register) his occupation was called a boatman not a publican. His age suggests that he was born c 1877.
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Hi
You have not answered our questions to help us find him for you
They married in 1904
How old was he on the marriage cert - Ann Maria was b 1883 according to her death reg
What was his fathers occupation
What document did his occupation of publican come from
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My Great Grandfather was a publican at the Lord Nelson Inn in Horncastle in 1907, it is the building that is now the Post Office.
He died soon afterwards but I know absolutely nothing about him apart from his name Henry Hunt and his fathers name William, from his marriage certificate, I would guess that he might have been born 1870's.
Does anyone know of a resource somewhere that has more information on Publicans in that time frame so I can hopefully know more about him and be able to identify him in the census'.
Thanks
Dave
The Nelson Hotel, on the same side of the Market Place, was formerly kept by an old man named Vesey, who was said to have been, in his earlier years, a great smuggler on the coast, but coming to Horncastle, he reformed, and was appointed constable. The sign of this inn is a portrait of the great hero of Trafalgar and the Nile, originally well painted by the artist, Northouse, but it has recently been repainted in the worst style, and almost “improved” out of recognition.
The George stood on the sites now occupied by the Post Office
ricky
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ok, he married in 19 May 1904 in Ludford Magna, I dont have the marriage certificate
He is described as a publican on my grandmothers birth certificate, she was born in the pub
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The address of the pub is given as 13 Market Place, Horncastle
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I dont have the marriage certificate
Does somebody else have it?
and his fathers name William, from his marriage certificate
We need his age and his fathers occupation as without that info we can't help you
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My cousin told me as she has the marriage certificate.
But another point on my grandmothers marriage certificate he father was said to have been called Charles (Deceased)!
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The address of the pub is given as 13 Market Place, Horncastle
Thomas Smalley was the licenced victular there in 1901
ricky
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my grandmother who was 2 years old at the time
Does anybody have a copy of your grandmothers birth cert to confirm her fathers name?
As she was so young when her mother died - was any other family member called Charles?
When you have the marriage details from your cousin - you can check the age against the entries I showed above from the 1901 census index
The 1901 has a Henry Hunt unmarried aged 27 b Southwick Hampshire who was a licensed Victualler at the Golden Lion in Southwick
Was Henry a bachelor when he married as there is another entry for a Henry Hunt b 1869 Bethnal Green Beer & wine house keeper but he was married to Alice - no children
Also - Henry Hunt 35 Brewer b Birmingham - single
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I have a copy of my granmothers birth certificate it states his name was Henry. She also called her son, my Uncle Harry which would indicate that she named him after her father.
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To be honest I think the Publican link may have been a red herring.
I was hoping that someone might know about the pub and where I might find out more information on the landlords so I might be able to identify him better.
I think my cousin has made a fundemental mistake in attaching herself to the wrong family, the one in Wootton, Lincolnshire.
I think that this Henry and his family were canal boatmen (as he was described as a boatman in his wifes death certificate) who as a result of changes in the way we transported goods had to find another trade, ran a pub for a short time until his wife contracted TB.
There are three certificates that would help me, Henry's birth and death certificates, but cant find any candidates. There is a Henry Hunt born Leeds in 1877 but his father was not called William.
There is also a birth certificate for another daughter Gladys Hunt I was told he had who must have been born bet 1904 and 1906 but I cannot find her, there are a couple of Gladys in the 1911 census, if these are her she must have been brought up as someont elses daughter. I was told she married someone called Wilson. What happened to her I dont know as I never met her and she was never spoken about.
Dave
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Hi Dave
have you checked out the Henry Hunt who was born Billinghay, Lincs in 1875, he was a bargeman in 1901. Billinghay isnt to far from Horncastle
ricky
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Thanks I will look into This guy and and see whether I can find out what happened to him.
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Can we start again?
Is it correct that your cousin has the marriage cert for Henry Hunt and Ann Maria Parker as you stated previously? My cousin told me as she has the marriage certificate.
He is described as a publican on my grandmothers birth certificate, she was born in the pub
Can you please ask your cousin for either a copy of the marriage cert or the following info from it - as previously requested - as we appear to be going round in circles here without actually getting the right info
How old was Henry Hunt on that 1904 marriage cert
What was his occupation at that time
Was his father definitely shown as William on the cert
What was William's occupation
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Well I live in Horncastle if that is any help
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I have a book on old pubs in Horncastle in it there is a painting from 1906 showing you the bakers shop it says part of Lord Nelson building demolished to make way for the post office in 1925.
Sue
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Just been looking through the book again and it shows you a photo of this pub taken in 1899 Thomas Smalley was the publican then it was one of the earliest pubs in the town and during the horse fair was said to be popular with great personages.
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I have a book on old pubs in Horncastle in it there is a painting from 1906 showing you the bakers shop it says part of Lord Nelson building demolished to make way for the post office in 1925.
Sue
Hi Sue
This bloke says it was The George, that is now the post office
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/30358/30358-h/30358-h.htm
ricky
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Brilliant book Ricky I do have that one but thankyou for finding it didnt know it was on the net. My husband said that some of his writings were not true.
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Horncastle inns and taverns and pubs in camera by David Robinson this is the second book that he wrote if you want you can order from your library
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I now have the details from the 1904 certificate.
How old was Henry Hunt on that 1904 marriage cert? 29 year old
What was his occupation at that time? Boatman
Was his father definitely shown as William on the cert? Yes
What was William's occupation? Boatman
I think that Ricky hit the nail on the head with the Billinghay link, although I cannot find the family in the 1881 census. I will have to get his birth certificate before the price rise!
My only big question I would have would be when did he die? Did he die or just sail off in 1908?
Thanks to everyone who has contributed, you are so giving.
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Hi Dave
Have to admit I carnt see him on the 1881 or 1891 census :-\ :-\
ricky