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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: cyclamen on Sunday 28 March 10 08:29 BST (UK)
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I am trying to find information re the family of Thomas James Fulton. He married Wilhelmena Hemphill in Ballykelly, Limavady on 5th June 1918 and his age was given as 29. His father was Joseph Fulton, a farmer from Ballynacree, Ballymoney. Thomas James was living at Ballynacree House in 1949. I haven't been able to locate this family in 1911 census. Any help would be appreciated.
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Think this is Thomas James Fulton's family in 1911 census- in Drum townland-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Drum/Drum/594786/
And this might be his father Joseph Fulton (www.proni.gov.uk): "Probate of the Will of Joseph Fulton late of Drum County Lonodnderry Farmer who died 31 March 1908 granted at Londonderry to William Jackson Merchant Robert Whyte Merchant and The Reverend Andrew Gibson Presby terian Minister."
Here's a map for Ballynacree House-
http://www.cephasfisher.net/Ballynacree.htm
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Hi,
Are you sure that Joseph Fulton was a farmer from Ballynacree? Looking at Aghadowey's information the Fulton family were from Drum in Co. Londonderry. Should this be correct I can give more information on the Drum family.
Regards
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Fultons not originally from Ballynacree and no longer live in the House (I went to auction a number of years ago - 1990s- but can't remember the date).
T.J. Fulton had son who was a doctor in England (might still be alive so won't post details here). Family belonged to Drumreagh Presbyterian Church.
If you are connected to this family will send more details by PM.
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Hi,
Thanks Aghadowey but I have no connection to this family. It is just that I have details of a Joseph Fulton and his wife Elizabeth and the Joseph who died on 31 Mar 1908 is buried in Dungiven Parish Church as is his wife Elizabeth and he is described as "of Drum".
Regards
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Fultons not originally from Ballynacree and no longer live in the House (I went to auction a number of years ago - 1990s- but can't remember the date).
T.J. Fulton had son who was a doctor in England (might still be alive so won't post details here). Family belonged to Drumreagh Presbyterian Church.
If you are connected to this family will send more details by PM.
The message was for cyclamen who started this thread looking for Fultons.
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Thankyou very much aghadowey and kingskerswell for your input. It looks as though this particular Fulton family was probably from Drum and at some stage moved to Ballynacree.
I haven’t seen the marriage certificate for Thomas and Wilhemina but Ballykelly Pres records showed Thomas and Joseph as both being farmers of Ballymacree. (perhaps an error on the minister’s part). I will, however, check at my next visit to PRONI. I had always been led to believe that the Fultons were from the Limavady area and was quite surprised to see mention of Ballymoney.
I do think the family living at Drum in 1911 Census is probably the same family. The age is right for Thomas James. The church records, however, did not show Thomas’s father as being deceased. It also does look as though the Joseph who died in 1908 could be the father of Thomas James. My mum said there was a minister who had married into the Fulton family but she couldn’t recall the name. Perhaps this is Rev Andrew Gibson mentioned in Joseph’s will.
I would very much appreciate the information about the Ballymacree family and also the information about Joseph and his wife Elizabeth who are buried in Dungiven Parish Church. Thankyou so much. :)
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Marriage certificates list the residence of groom (and bride) at the time of the marriage not where their fathers lived. It's possible that Thomas James Fulton went to Ballynacree before his marriage and thus would have given that as his residence rather the townland where his family lived.
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Hi Cyclamen,
The Rev Gibson was the minister of Dungiven Presbyterian Church from 1907 to 1912. The minister of Ballykelly Presbyterian Church, where Thomas Fulton was married in 1918 was the Rev Arthur Parke.
Thomas' parents, Joseph Fulton and Elizabeth Fulton (possibly cousins) were married in Dungiven Presbyterian Church on 7 Jun 1880. Joseph died on 31 Mar 1908 age 74 years and Elizabeth on 28 Feb 1929 age 80 years. The grave is in Dungiven Parish Church yard as the Presbyterian church does not have a graveyard. It is situated with a group of McCay graves one of which commemorates the death of Lt Thomas Fulton McCay in 1917 who was born in Drum. His grandparents were John Quigley and Margaret Fulton who married in Dungiven in 1855, possibly relatives.
Regards
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Thankyou so much. This is great information! The graveyard in Dungiven will be well worth a visit especially as one of my greatgreatgrandfathers was a McKay from Maine!! (That's for another day)
I have just been in touch with a family member who said that Thomas James Fulton's family owned a large farm near Tartnakelly (where the Hemphills lived). I have found another Fulton family living at Tartnakelly so perhaps this family is connected in some way. Some more research will be needed to try to establish a link.
I was also told that the son of Thomas James and Mina Fulton inherited the Hemphill farm at Tartnakelly.
Thankyou aghadowey for the information re marriage certificates. It is worth then always checking the church records, if they exist, as they may give additional information.
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I am the great grand daughter of Thomas James Fulton married to Wilhelmena Hemphill in 1918. My Grand mother and parents still live in the town land of Ballynacree. What else would you like to know?
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I had a flying visit to Dungiven Parish Church burial ground last week hoping to find more about the McCays. Do you know if there are any other McCay headstones in this graveyard?
I am wondering, kingskerswell, if you know who the parents of Lt Thomas Fulton McCay were and where the information came from re his grandparents.
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Cyclamen,
I have a list of all the burials in the graveyard so I will have a look. Lt. McCay's parents were William McCay and Martha Quigley who married in Dungiven Presbyterian Church in 1882. Martha's parents were John Quigley and Margaret Fulton who married in Dungiven Presbyterian Church in 1855. Lt. McCay was born in Drum. He had attended Foyle College in Londonderry and was studying at Trinity College Dublin when he enlisted. As well as being commemorated on the Limavady War Memorial he is also commemorated on a plaque in Dungiven Presbyterian Church.
Regards
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Many thanks for this additional information.
I would be very grateful if you could check for any other McCays/McKays in this graveyard.
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Cyclamen,
Sorry for the delay; I have tidied my notes and documents and cannot find anything easily.
The burials for McCay/McKay, taken from an unofficial gravediggers' record book are:-
22 May 1879 William McCay of Drum, age 77
8 July 1884 Mary Ann McCay, Drum, age 76
21 Nov 1913 William McKay age 72
Nov 1917 Thomas Fulton McCay, killed in France age 22
20 May 1923 Martha McCay age 67
10 Jan 1924 John McCay age 37
29 Oct 1929 John McCay age 77
22 Sept 1937 William Joseph Stevenson McCay age 44
9 Oct 1966 David George Douglas McCay Drum
7 Feb 1984 Ellie McKay, Drum, age 78
This could probably be improved to give relationships by sighting the actual headstones.
Regards
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That was quick!! Very many thanks for this.
I will go back to the graveyard when I am not quite so pushed for time. I did notice that many of the headstones are virtually unreadable but as you say I may glean a little more.
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I've been doing a little research into a Fulton family from Derrylane, Drum. A James Fulton married to Jane Scott. James's father was called Thomas.
If you look up the previous discussed marriage of Joseph Fulton to Elizabeth Fulton, Joseph's father is also called Thomas.
Also the marriage of John Quigley to Margaret Fulton, Margaret's father is also called Thomas.
I also found the marriage of a James McCully to a Martha Fulton of Drum, again Martha's father was called Thomas.
It's maybe just a coincidence, that the name of father of these Fultons, from the same area, was the same , or maybe they were all siblings, although the difference in marriage dates makes it a little unlikely.
Going back to the McCay connection, I think a son of James called Thomas Robert Fulton, married a Margaret McCay from Drum in 1909. Thomas and Margaret had a daughter called Martha Quigley Fulton.
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Thankyou very much for your input. Some of this information is new to me. I have found a considerable number of Fulton marriages which took place in and around Dungiven and the Limavady area and it is going to take some time to sort the different families out.
Scotts and McCullys also married into the Hemphill family of Tartnakelly. If you wish to contact me through the PM system I may be able to give you additional information.
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William McCay and Martha Quigley, had 7 children (according to the 1911 census), including a daughter called Margaret in 1884. It looks possible that the Margaret McCay who married Thomas Robert Fulton, was William's and Martha's daughter and sister to LT Thomas Fulton McCay.
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Thanks for this.
Thomas Robert Fulton and Margaret McKay were married 9th June 1909 in Dungiven Presbyterian Church. In 1911 they are living at Fruithill, Londonderry.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Fruithill/Carrick_East/596507/
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Are you able to confirm date of birth of Margaret McCay and names of her parents? I can't seem to find her in 1901 Census.
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Margaret McCay
Baptism or Birth date = 16th November 1884.
Parish = Dungiven
Father = William McCay, Farmer
Mother = Martha Quigley
Informant = William McCay
Maybe Margaret was visiting/staying somewhere else, and Head of House didn't think they had to record her.
Thomas Robert Fulton and Margaret McCay, had another daughter, called Jane Scott Fulton. Looks like one daughter was called after the paternal grandmother and the other daughter after the maternal grandmother.
On the 1911 census , is Thomas Fulton McCay , recorded with a Wray Family on Westland Avenue, Londonderry ?
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Hi,
I believe that Jane Wray in Westland Av. was his cousin. Jane's maiden name was Witherow.
Regards
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Thankyou for confirming the date of birth for Margaret McCay. Your help is much appreciated.