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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Monmouthshire => Topic started by: nicola0709 on Sunday 28 March 10 02:45 BST (UK)
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Hi there,
I am trying to find information out on my grandfathers family.
My grandfather was Thomas William Williams born in Sydney in 1906.
His Father was Edward Williams (I think his middle name was William as well). He was born somewhere in Wales. possibly in Abergavenny (my father believes we come from that area). I dont know if there is a village or something called 'Trevellyn', but he named a house that he lived in Sydney by that name, so it is possible that he came from a village of that name, or lived on a farm of that name
He emigrated to Australian in the 1890s (after marrying Mary Evalina Hobbs).
He was a Gardener by trade.
I know this is not a great deal of information, and I apologise for that, but I would love any help if you could..
cheers,
Nicola
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Hi Nicola
I suspect the place was Trevethin, which is not too far from Abergavenny.
Have you got the marriage certificate?
Marriage
Sep quarter 1892
HOBBS MARY Evelina
WILLIAMS Edward
Brentford Vol 3a Page 77
The cert should give Edward and Mary's fathers' names and occupations - and this information will be vital to tracing Edward back, given how "popular" the surname WILLIAMS is!
Kind regards, Arranroots ;)
p.s. do you have immigration/ shipping records or any indication of Edward's age?
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I have a link to the certificate (below)
http://search.ancestry.com.au/Browse/view.aspx?dbid=1623&path=Ealing.St+Mary%2c+Acton.1892.8&sid=&gskw=Mary+Evelina+Hobbs
I am having trouble reading the writing as to where Edwards address is.. His father's name is also Edward williams, and is a labourer. can you help?
it looks like the address for Mary Evalina is something like 142 .... Road, Acton
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No, sorry - I don't have access to the link you've provided.
What does it say about ages?
Will have a look for Ed son of Ed in the right area!
:)
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This chap looks promising in 1881 - try the following reference for Abergavenny
RG11/ 5232/ 59/1
He's a gardener, non domestic and the son of Edward and Mary Ann - aged 18 on this census, so around 29 when he married. Born Raglan, Monmouthshire. There's a brother William thrown in for no extra charge!
What do you think?
p.s. just up the road is a retired farmer, Thomas WILLIAMS - shouldn't jump to any conclusions, but your grandfather might have been named after his grandfather ..
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here's Mary's family in 1891
142 Avenue Rd, Acton RG12/1035 folio 102 pg 38
Jane Hobbs head widow 59 living on own means b. Enfield
Ellen dau 34 fressmaker b. Westminster
Louisa J dau 34 dressmaker b. Mayfair
Mary E dau 24 dressmaker b. Mayfair
Thomas C son mar 26 gardener b. Mayfair
Julia A daughter-in-law mar 29 b. Somerset
Nellie R grand dau 1 b. Gunnersbury
all places of birth in Middlesex except for Julia.
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Ah that answers one question then - they weren't together in the same household in 1891.
Nicola - was Edward previously married (is he a widower on his marriage cert)?
I am having trouble locating him in 1891.
:-\
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I dont think he was previously married. at least, there are no family stories of such an event.
is Llanvihangel Gobion, Monmouth near Abergavenny?
Edward Williams jnr, born abt 1863 had travelled to Australia to work for the Macarthur-Onslow family as their gardener (very old and influential family in Australia). He then returned to the UK, married Mary Evalina (they must have known each other before he went) and then emmigrated to australia where they started their family. I dont think he would appear in the 1891 census or any after that. Iam guessing that they emigrated in late 1891 early 1892 thereabouts as their eldest son was born in Australia in 1892
thanks arranroots and osprey...
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Umm if you have the right marriage, they emigrated after their marriage in mid-1892.
I wonder whether Edward was in Oz in 1891 then - that would explain why I can't find him! Maybe you need to have another look at shipping records?
You haven't answered my question about his age - from the cert - as should his marital status.
Llavihangel Gobion is just over 5 miles from Abergavenny - see if this works:
Map Here (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&q=LLanvihangel+gobion&fb=1&gl=uk&ei=4TCvS-a2Asu5jAeSpNygBQ&ved=0CBIQpQY&view=map&geocode=FT0XFgMdtRXT_w&split=0&iwloc=A&sa=X)
Remember though that Abergavenny was the registration and administrative district for the area.
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oops... sorry...
he was 29 on the certificate
I'm still searching for their arrival in Australia.
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Thanks - that fits OK then.
I wonder whether these are your WILLIAMS in Llanvihangel Gobion? There's also a record on Wikipedia of a William WILLIAMS being landlord of the local pub in 1911 - you could check the census!
http://www.cefnpennar.com/llangob/stmichael.htm
(Scroll down a little)
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I think I just found an address
Adam's Row, Llanvihangel
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Yes!! thats them... Mary Ann was Edward Snr's wife.
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I dont think the wiki William Williams is of my line..., at least not directly
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Edward senior and family in 1891
1891 census RG12/ 4345/ 45/ 3
;)
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I dont think the wiki William Williams is of my line..., at least not directly
I disagree - perfect match for Edward junior's brother!
:D
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transcribed parish records for the parish
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~monfamilies/llangobprt.htm
Children born after Edward are there, but not Edward himself. Also burials for Mary Ann (in 1892) and Edward (1900).
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mmm... I cant seem to access that.... the census that is
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I have Edward jnr in Raglan... is that also close by?
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Ann's birthplace is given as Clytha in the parish of Llanarth
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/MON/Llanarth/index.html
Her baptism is transcribed here and also one for a Charles in 1857, but he looks to have died before the 1861 census RG9/3991 folio 26 pg 13
Edward & Mary Ann's marriage is transcribed from the records of their home parish
Penrhos in 1856. Their baptisms also appear in 1827 & 1832.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~monfamilies/penrhosprt.htm
There's an extracted IGI baptism for Edward in Raglan batch C023931 16/1/1862 & it appears in the transcribed records for Raglan
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~monfamilies/raglanprt.htm
In answer to your post - less than 5 miles
http://www.genuki.org.uk/cgi-bin/places?MON,SO413076,5,Rhaglan%20/%20Raglan
;)
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Wow... I finally got the name of Edward Snr's parents.... !!!! (at least it is not another Edward... that would have been way too confusing...)
you are so great!!!!!!! many many many thanks
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Hi, i've look through the website posted on this thread for baptisms on LLANFIHANGEL GOBION PARISH RECORD TRANSCRIPTS and found a name which could possibly be my ancestor and was wondering if it co-incided with your tree?
206 5 May 1867 Sarah Edward & Mary Ann WILLIAMS Labourer Llanvihangel juxta Usk
^ Could possibly be my gg.grandmother
Lyndsey :)
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Hi Nicola/Lyndsey
I've just started doing my family research-- turns out that Edward Williams (1863-1964) is my great great grandfather's brother! So I guess we're cousins somehow?
It would be great if we could perhaps chat about our respective research- I'd love to know more about Edward's profession as a gardener and also more about your links to Sarah Lyndsey! She's one of the people I've not haad much luck finding info out about.
Would be great if you could get in touch ( I couldn't find a direct way of contacting members on here,) so look forward to perhaps chatting soon
Thanks!
Laura
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Welcome to Rootschat! ;D
Now that you've made 3 posts, you can contact the posters by clicking on the little green scroll beneath their user name. They may get notifications on replies to this post and come online. If not, you could send them personal messages whcih would generate emails to the address that they registered with the site and hopefully, they're still using that account.
;)
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Hi Laura
I'm not 100% if Sarah is the right sarah in my tree, but if she is i believe that she married Lewis Martin in 1885 then had 5 children; Martha A, Tabitha, William Edward, Celia and Evan D. Martha being my great grandmother. Do you know anything about Sarah at all then?
Thanks!
Lyndsey :)
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Hi Lyndsey
Sorry it has taken so long to reply! I was doing some other research on the Williams side of my family and this came up in the search results!
Perhaps we can compare our research outside of the forum to determine if our Sarah's are a match? Feel free to send me a message with your email address and hopefully we can get comparing!
Thanks!
Laura :)