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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: jccollins on Wednesday 24 March 10 03:24 GMT (UK)
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I am looking for information on the Moran and Kelly families who lived at 5 Johnson's Court from before the 1870s until at least the 1911 Census. In particular, I am looking for information on my great-grandparents Teresa (Theresa) Moran who married William Kelly on October 12, 1873 at St. Andrew's RC Church (this address is listed in the church records.) I am also looking for information regarding my grandfather Joseph Patrick Kelly who was born in Dublin in April of 1886. His mother, father, and sister Teresa all died (unknown dates and causes) and he was sent to live with his uncle's family (Timothy Moran, we think). My grandfather shows up at 5 Johnson's Court with his Moran cousins in the 1911 Census.
I recently found most of the information we know on the Moran-Kelly family at Irish Genealogy (http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/) in the Parish of St. Andrew's RC Church, Diocese of Dublin. Can anyone tell me more about this Roman Catholic church? Is there a cemetery at the church? Would death records have been kept at the church? Can anyone suggest how to find out more about my grandfather/great-grandparents and the Moran cousins?
I would be grateful for any help or suggestions.
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St. Andrews RC church is on Westland row, which is just to the East of Trinity College grounds. Johnson Court is just off Grafton street and about 1km to the west of the church. see google map : St. Andrews, Westland Row to Johnson Court (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Johnson%27s+Court&daddr=westland+row,+dublin&geocode=FcvuLQMdC3ig_yll6QF3nA5nSDGGJn5he73QgQ%3BFe_zLQMdsqKg_ykHr0YBkQ5nSDGMM7SHjlHraw&hl=en&mra=cc&dirflg=w&sll=53.33974,-6.257229&sspn=0.010454,0.032701&ie=UTF8&ll=53.342481,-6.255341&spn=0.005227,0.016351&z=16)
I dont believe there is a cemetery associated with St. Andrews, and most burials at that time would have been in the Cemeteries outside the city - e.g. Deans Grange, Glasnevein etc. The Dublin RC registers I've seen dont generally include deaths/burials. Death, Marriages and Birth for after civil registration started (1864) would be available in the Civil records - see 2 Minute Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
p.s. I think I remember a much older post about what could be this family and their business ... I remember the Chimney Sweep connection. Did they have later Booterstown connection ? (I'll try to find the older post..)
I think this is the post I was thinking of - Moran/Grady (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,390182.msg2616676.html#msg2616676)
Shane
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Thank you for such a quick reply .. and the good information. The earlier post does appear to be the same family I am looking for.
Cindy
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another post that could be connected : Timothy Moran + Bertha (nee Joyce) (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,406673.0.html)
Shane
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another post about the Morans (in the Old Photographs section)
chimneysweep (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,390392.0.html)
I'm also posting directory details to your Thom's lookup post (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,446048.msg3086313.html#msg3086313).
Shane
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i am looking for information on the Moran/Curry family, my gr gr grandfather Thomas Curry married Mary Anne Moran, Denis Moran and Mary Anne Grady's daughter, if anyone can help i would be grateful.
Thanks, Ger.
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Hi Jccollins, Timothy Moran is my great great grandfather, his son James Moran is my great grand father and James' daughter Barbara is my Grandmother. I don't have a lot of info on the family. I know that Timothy won an award for being the first chimney sweep to stop the use of children going up chimneys, the family had quite a bit of money and a few properties around dublin too. If you have any info id be grateful if you could pass it on, thanks :)
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I found marriage/baptism records regarding the Moran and Curry families in the St. Andrew's RC records found at http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/.
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Thanks jccollins, i have that information, if you have anything on Denis Moran going back further than 1850 it would be great
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OK, on page 2 of the following search results you'll see Julia Moran daughter of Denis of Johnson's Court marrying in 1861. Page 1 of the results shows Julia's birth in St Nicholas parish in 1841 and, in 1840 also in St Nicholas, the wedding of Denis (in Latin) Moran and Mary Ann (Maria Anna) Grady. Unfortunately no addresses or parents' names for Denis and Mary Anne.
http://goo.gl/JxdaH
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Hi there - instinct is saying that Mary O'Grady's father's name was Timothy O'Grady. One of the witness' at her wedding to Denis Moran was a Timothy O' Grady (her brother I presume). It's most likely that Timothy Moran was named after this grandfather.
It's possible then that this MAY be the family:
TIMOTHY GRADY & ELIZABETH KEARNY 15 August 1812 ST. MARY, PRO CATHEDRAL
Children:
TIMOTHY GRADY
1822
Parents TIMOTHY & ELIZABETH GRADY
DANIEL GRADY
1824
Parents TIMOTHY & ELIZABETH GRADY
MARIAM GRADY (Your Mary Anne ??)
1825
Parents TIMOTHY & ELIZABETH GRADY
This is all just a theory and would need to be double checked !
Tara
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If her Dad was Timothy, there is also this possibility. St Catherine's parish is adjacent to St Nicholas and her age would be a bit more consistent with an 1840 wedding. Could be either or neither of course.
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/bf1b5c0055475
Area - DUBLIN (RC) , Parish/Church/Congregation - ST. CATHERINE
Baptism of MARY ANNE GREADY of N/R on 24 January 1819
Father TIMY GREADY
Mother JUDITH INGLISH
Sponsor 1 JAMES POSTLEY
Sponsor 2 ALICE GREADY
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Re Chimney Sweeping
Freeman's Journal, 12 July 1879
CHIMNEY SWEEPING: if you want your chimneys and close ranges well cleaned sent to T Moran, Chimney Sweeper and Patent Range Cleaner to the Curragh Camp, No 5 Johnson's Court, off Grafton Street, terms very moderate.
regards
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hi i hope this may help the moran family my great grandfather married ellen moran at st andrews church westland row dublin on the 11 2 1872 they lived in leeson place ellens parents were john and mary their other children were thomas john james i have certs for marriage hope this helps pussycat
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I just emailed them yesterday.
heres the email
St Andrews Church: westlandrow[ a t ]dublindiocese.ie
Moderator Note : replace [at] with a @
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Hi, if anyone has info on Denis and Maryanne before their marriage, I would appreciate if you could pass it on, thanks. I have info on most of their children up until 1911. My wife is related to Denis, their son.