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I am looking for any information on William Grant and his wife Jane (nee Templeton). I think they were married around 1861 and had a son David Ferguson Grant, 1878. They also had another son, William - possibly the first born - date unknown. I believe that William Junior became a MP in the Nothern Ireland Government - 1920 or there abouts.
Thanks
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William Grant held the following posts in the Northern Ireland Government during 30s/40s -
Parliamentary Secretary Ministry of Labour from 29th August 1938 - 10th November 1941
Minister of Labour 6th May 1943 - 31st May 1944 and 17th July 1945 - 2nd August 1945
http://www.election.demon.co.uk/stormont/administration.html -
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Hello,
I'm researching my ancester Esther Templeton and her parents James and Jane Templeton (nee Hodgens/other variations) who were in Shankhill/Carnmoney, and have come to a brick wall. Did your Jane Templeton hail from that area at all?
cheers
rsandes
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Thanks Christopher, I will have to try and find out when he was born and trace back from there.
Roger
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Thank you rsandes,
I have aslo hit a wall with Jane Templeton. There appears to have been quite a few(www.familysearch.org) and I am unable to make any real connections. Good luck with your research.
Roger
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Thanks Christopher, I will have to try and find out when he was born and trace back from there.
Roger
I think there is more information about William on a site somewhere on the net. I am having problems finding the site (I may have a note of it's name somewhere) as I have forgotten the name of the site. It gives short biographical details of all the members of the Northern Ireland House of Commons since the State of Northern Ireland was founded until the closure of the Assembly.
http://www.election.demon.co.uk/stormont/members.html Some more info about William is contained in this URL
Rt Hon William Grant was MP for Belfast North 1921 - 9
and for Belfast Duncairn 1929 - 16th August 1949
It did not take too long - http://www.election.demon.co.uk/stormont/biographies.html -
I'm sorry it did not show the date and month of birth. At least the year is better than nothing.
Born 1877 - Died on 15th August 1949
Christopher
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Christopher,
Thank you once again for the time and effort spent in looking up the information on William Grant. It is good to know that there are so many kind people out there ready to help.
regards
Roger
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A few Templetons in the Directory of Belfast and Province of Ulster
1852
John Templeton, master mariner. 12, Wall Street, Belfast
1861
Ellen Templeton, 25, Cumber Place, Old Lodge Road, Belfast
Mrs Templeton, Cranmore, Old Malone Road, near Belfast
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Thank you for your posting Christopher, these Templeton names crop up on my family oral history.
Hope you have some success too Roger.
cheers
rsandes
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According to Emerald Ancestors;
William Grant married Jane Kane Templeton 29 July 1863 @ Duncairn Presbyterian Church, Shankill, Belfast, Antrim.
Don't give up the hunt.
Roger
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DAVID FERGUSON GRANT. BIRTH. 27-8-1878.
ELIZA JANE GRANT. 24-4-1876
FEMALE GRANT. 23-5-1864
ALL BORN ANT, IRE. PARENTS. WILLIAM GRANT & JANE TEMPLETON.
REGARDS MARY.
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found these on igi family search. org. ESTER TEMPLETON B. 25-7-1864.WILLIAM JOHN B.17-12-1865. SHANKHILL, ANT. IRE. PARENTS. JAMES TEMPLETON & JANE HODGEN.
REGARDS MARY.
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I seem to recall Mary Ann McCRACKEN going to visit Templeton cousins in Orangfield, Belfast.
[Ref. Mary McNEIL's biography.]
The UPTONs (Lords Templeton/Templetown) had their seat at Castle Upton, near Templpatrick.
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Hello dickens and rsandes,
Ulster Covenant 1912
283 people with the surname Grant signed.
253 with the surname Templeton signed.
Chris
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Has anyone made progress with family of William Grant, MP? I'm checking up on a few facts to upgrade our entry in Dictionary of Irish Biography. We don't have his parents or his wife's names; checking in the 1901 and 1911 censuses, and records online, I am beginning to think that the birth year of 1877 given in online sources and thus used in our article may be wrong. In 1901 and 1911 a William Grant of Dock Ward. Belfast, who is a shipwright, as the right William Grant was, is aged 17 and 27, rather than 24 and 34 as he would be if born in 1877. If this is the right William Grant, his wife was Elizabeth and his parents were Martin and Mary Ann Grant, nee Gibson, probably. Can anyone confirm?
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You are correct. William married Elizabeth Davison 18/04/1906 at Rosemary Presbyterian. On the marriage certificate his father was Martin Grant (Linen Lapper). This confirms his father and fathers occupation in the census records.
Furthermore an extract from the Belfast Newsletter of the time
Grant Aug 15 1949 at his son's residence 10 Dunlambert Avenue Fortwilliam Park
the Rt Hon William Grant MP husband of the late Elizabeth. Funeral from above address tomorrow (thurs) at 2pm
to Rosemary Presbyterian Church North Circular Road and thence to Carnmoney Cemetary. Deeply Regretted by his sorrowing family.
Hope this helps
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I think it helps! I hope so anyway, but thanks very much for your reply. I hope it will be all right to assume that these William Grants, with the connection to Rosemary St and Elizabeth are both the same, and also the same as the MP. But it looks fairly solid, don't you think? if so I'll have to correct our entry in the DIB
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Martin Grant and Mary Ann Gibson were married St Enochs Presbyterian Church Belfast 21 February 1873.
I believe 1883 (don't know exact date but you can find it on AncestryIreland.com)is the correct year of Birth.
Some other sites have 1877 as his birth year (wiki included) don't know where they got their information or proof from.
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According to LDS databasse Martin Grant and Mary Ann Gibson had a son born 28 Feb.1878 but unfortunately his name isn't on the birth certificate (also a daughter Mary Jane in 1873 and son Andrew in 1875).
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Just found Williams date of birth 6th April 1883. He would have been 66 when he died. I suppose further proof that this is the correct William would be his age on his death certificate, his age on his tombstone at Carnmoney Cemetery and death notices in the local papers at the time of death (brothers and sisters in the census if still alive). To be continued.......
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Information on death certificates only as good as informant's knowledge. Gravestones can contain errors. Death notices in newspaper don't always give an age (and again depends on what informant said).
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Update. I just rang Carnmoney cemetery. William grant is buried in plot AB21 Main Carnmoney Cemetery along with his wife Elizabeth. William died age 66. Elizabeth died 9 August 1940.
I think its beyond reasonable doubt that William was born 1883 and not 1877.
The newspaper bit I mentioned was just to see who had put in death notices. If any of his siblings (still alive) and compare the names to the census records.
My Grandmother Margaret was his sister but she died 1932.
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If William's wife Elizabeth died before 1940 then it was most likely one of his children who arranged for a death notice in the newspaper.
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Many thanks to both Padmak and Aghadowey, for input. I'll amend our article accordingly. Your assitance corrected birthdate, confirmed father's job, provided mother's maiden name and wife's maiden name and date of marriage. Not a bad day's work!
Thanks
Linde
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I am in the process of writing a book about the Grant family. William Grant MP was my great uncle. Have extensive research on the family and can be contacted on (*) if anyone has any queries. Hope this helps.
June
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Interesting! I'll pass this on to the editor of the DIB. For the moment I don't think we have plans to upgrade the article on Grant significantly, though I will make the corrections that have turned up in this correspondence on this forum. But I'll file the possibility of making an improvement or two, thanks to your research, and we may hear from you sometime again. Thanks LL
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Thats great news. William was also my great Uncle. Will contact you through PM.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
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Do I not have 3 posts?
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Yes, but grantj only has 1 post so far.
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sorry I am new to this.
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Hi Grantj
Thats great news. Would love to read the book when its finished.
William Grant was my Great Uncle also. His sister Margaret was my Grandmother she married William John Chambers. I have only started the family history but have already hit a brick wall.
According to the census Martin Grant would have been born 1852/53. Mary Ann Grant (nee Gibson) born around 1856. Can't find these on any of the online sites.
Martins father was also Martin. Mary Ann's father was Andrew (Got these from the marriage certificate).
Any Help would be much appreciated.
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Margaret was a sister of my grandfather, Samuel Grant. Both Samuel and his wife died at a young age leaving 2 orphaned children - Susan ( my mother) and Martin. Margaret and William Chambers brought them up. Which of their children was your parent? I have a lot of work on your family (Chambers).
Just let me know and I will gladly help
June
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George Chambers was my Father. He married Stella Benita Clarke. He met her during WW11. She was from Tolpuddle in Dorset.
If you have lots of information on the Chambers and Grant side going back i would love to see it.
How far have you got with the book?
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Right gamily but wrong connection. William married Jane Kane Templeton in 1863.(http://) They had 5 children that I am aware of - Frances Alexander, Matthew, Eliza Jane, David Ferguson and Robert. David eventually married a Margaret Brown and had 3 children Margaret (Rita), Sarah (Sadie) and David Hamilton.
The 5 children of William and Jane would have been 1st cousins of William Grant MP.
Hope this helps.
June
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Approx. 1840 a Martin Grant m Elizabeth Neill. They had 7 children that I know of - (1) Mary Ann born 1841 - no marriage records for her. (2)James was born in 1842. In 1863 he married an Elizabeth Thompson - they had 4 children Agnes (1864), John Martin (1865), Michael (1867) and Thomas (1890). (3)Then William b 1845. He married Jane Kane Templeton in 1863. They had 5 children - Frances (1864), Matthew (1866), Eliza Jane (1876), David Ferguson (1878) and Robert (1883). (4) John b1850. He married an Eliz. Cooper in 1876. They had 6 children - David (1877), Grant (1881), Jemima (1883), Agnes Ferguson (1887), Hamilton Ferguson (1890) and John (1892). (5) Martin b1853. He married Mary Anne Gibson in 1873. They had 11 children. Mary Jane b 1873 (died), Andrew b 1875, Martin b 1878, Thomas b 1880, William b 1883 (HE WAS THE M.P.), George Gibson b 1885, Margaret b 1888, Samuel Linton b 1890 (my grandfather), Ebenezer b b1893, Eliza Neill b 1895 and Agnes Ferguson b 1901. (6) Elizabeth b 1855 - nothing known about her. (7) Agnes. In 1874 she married a David Hamilton Ferguson. They had 4 children - Hester (1885), Annie (1890), Adeline 1892, and Matthew (1894).
The difficulty I found to begin with was that it is a vast family. They have some names common to each branch of the family - Martin, William, Agnes Thomas, Ferguson, Hamilton etc. Fortunately my mother lived until she was in her late 90s and had a wonderful memory. Much of what she told me has greatly helped my research. 1911 census of Ireland - these addresses may help. 24 Chatsworth St Pottinger; 11 Glenrosa St Duncairn; 30 Mountcoyller Ave Duncairn; 19 Washington St Belfast East; 103 Mount collyer Road Duncairn; 33 Ruth St Duncairn - he was the M.P.
Information on William Grant M.P. can be obtained online view "The Stormont Papers"; "The Belfast Gazette" "William Grant Memorial Temperance Lodge"
Hope this helps some of you and the questions you asked.
June
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Hi, ive just started researching my family tree and I believe it was my great great aunt elizabeth davison that married william grant in 1906. Im looking for more information about her relatives - children, her sister rebecca etc. Have information on her two brothers, mother, father and grandparents. Plan to go and visit the grave this week to gather more information. Her brother william james and his first wife minnie/mary are also buried in carnmoney. Can anyone assist with any further information? Has the book referred to below been published? Thanks in advance for any help. Ashley