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Hi, I am trying to research part of my own family, using a bit of research my father has already done.
My 3 x great grandparents were Edward Statter (born circa 1795) and Mary Dover (born circa 1798) and I am the decendant of Elizabeth Statter (born circa 1835 in Liverpool). It is known that Edward was a surgeon in Lime Street and that at least one of his son's; possibly Richard (born circa 1826 in Liverpool) also became a surgeon. Richard is presumed to have married a lady named Mary (born circa 1826), presumably from Lincolnshire, but I have found a record of a possible marriage in March quarter 1846 in Blackburn with the surname Smith.
Would anyone help me by searching the census records from 1841, please?
The other siblings of interest are:
Edward Statter - born circa 1820, Lancaster.. would only be on the 1841 census, as apprently died the following year.
Agnes Statter born circa 1821 Lancaster, married John Richardson, born circa 1820, Liverpool.
Mary Statter born circa 1823, Lancashire, married Gerard Horby; he died after 1855, but no other information.
Thomas Statter born circa 1838, Liverpool. Presumed to have become a watchmaker.
Elizabeth's sister Sarah Statter married Montegue Watts Doubleday, I have a fair amount about them at present and I know many of this family moved out of the area later on in life.
I would also be greatful if someone could trace Elizabeth for me in Lancashire as far as they can please. I do know she moved elsewhere later, but I am unsure when. She never married, but we do find reference to a man with the surname Duffin from time to time, possibly the father to her two children. Lily and James.
I hope someone can help.
Regards and thanks for any future help on this large task.
Liz
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1841
HO107/554/6/6 - Poulton, Lancashire
Thomas HOUGHTON - 65 - Farmer
Mary HOUGHTON - 70
James OUTHWAITE - 70 - MS
Betty CAPSON - 15 - FS
Mary STATTER - 40
Edward STATTER - 20
Elizabeth STATTER - 6
(All born Lancashire.)
The surname looks like "Staller" on the image, but the names and ages fit.
1851
HO107/2183/603/18 - 1 Oxford St, Liverpool
Edward STATTER - Head - 56 - Surgeon - Bare, Lancs
Elizabeth STATTER - Dau - 15 - Liverpool, Lancs
Mary J RICHARDSON - G-dau - 4 - Bare, Lancs
Mary Ann HELLET - Servant - 22 - Berwick, Lancs
HO107/2271/210/1 - Marine Cottage, Poulton, Lancs
Mary STATTER - Head - 52 - Surgeon's Wife - Workington, Cumberland
Thomas STATTER - Son - 12 - Scholar at Home - Liverpool
Montague Watts DOUBLEDAY - Son-in-law - 23 - Tea & Coffee Dealer - Manchester
Sarah Ann DOUBLEDAY - Dau - 21 - Liverpool
Montague W DOUBLEDAY - G-son - 5 mo - Marford, Flintshire
Jane GREEN - Servant - 21 - General Servant - Bare
Rambler
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I presume this is Lily's birth?
Births Mar 1870
STATTER Lilly Dover
Edmonton 3a 218
If so, she isn't with her mother in 1871:
1871
RG10/1336/35/62 - 11 Willow Walk, Hornsey, London
Sarah BROTHWELL - Head - Wid - 44 - General Shop Keeper - London
Lilly D STATTER - Niece - 1 - Edmonton, Middlesex
James E STATTER - Nephew - 2 mo - Hornsey
James NEWBERY - Lodger - 27 - Stud Groom - Bletchington, Surrey
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1861
RG9/2684/71/5 - 1 Oxford St, Liverpool
Elizabeth STATTER - Head - 25 - Liverpool
Annie THISTLETON - Servant - 19 - General Servant - Liverpool
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Here's Richard (with sister Agness in 1851):
1851
HO107/2270/30/1 - Back House, Stalmine, Lancs
John RICHARDSON - Head - 31 - Curate of Stalmine - Liverpool
Agness RICHARDSON - Wife - 29 - Lancaster
Agness Annie RICHARDSON - Dau - 2 - Liverpool
Edward RICHARDSON - Son - 1 - Liverpool
Richd. Dover STATER - Visitor - 25 - Surgeon - Liverpool
Jane HOWARTH - Servant - 20 - House Servant - Stalmine
Hannah HOWARTH - Servant - 12 - Nurse - Stalmine
1861
RG9/2684/75/13 - 118 Mount Pleasant, Liverpool
Richard D STATTER - Head - 35 - General Practitioner; Member of College of Surgeons - Liverpool
Mary STATTER - Wife - 35 - Market Rasen, Lincs
Robert FEATHERLY - Visitor - 19 - Seaman M C - Hull, Yorks
Julia REITH - Servant - 27 - General Servant - Ireland
The Medical Register for 1863 lists the following Statters, all registered on 1 Jan 1859:
STATTER, Edward - Oxford St, Liverpool - Lic. Soc. Apoth. Lond. 1817
STATTER, Richard Dover - 118 Mount Pleasant, Liverpool - Mem. R. Coll. Surg. Eng. 1847
STATTER, William - Wakefield, Yorkshire - Lic. Soc. Apoth. Lond. 1828; Mem. 1829, Fell. 1854, R. Coll. Surg. Eng.
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Thanks this is great, it all seems to fit nicely and has given me a few more leads to follow up on; as well as answer questions I've needed answering.
Thanks ever so much Rambler.
Regards,
Liz
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Just a quickie I think, can anyone find Elizabeth anywhere in 1871 in Lancashire, else not I'll try London and other possible places. As I now want to know where she disappeared to when she left her 2 young children.. with by all accounts isn't actually a relative, even though it says so.
Thanks and regards, as always
Liz
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I found one possibility in Hertfordshire, but none (so far) in Lancs:
1871
RG10/1332/112/24 - East Barnet, Herts
Elizabeth STATTER - 31 - ???? - Liverpool
The handwriting is difficult to read - the surname looks more like Slatter, and I've no idea what the occupation says!
She may have died in Islington not long after:
Deaths Jun 1875
STATTER Elizabeth 39
Islington 1b 136
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Hi,
Her occupation reads Interest of Money and rents? of property.
Her age actually is 33.
Regards,
Mo
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Thank you,
just out of interest, was she living with anyone else at the time? I didn't expect to see her in Hertfordshire, I've no idea what she is doing up there.. though I have a suspicion.
As we have on a document the mention of a James Duffin, but we are not sure if it is the name of the father to her children or a name her son had his name changed to a couple of years later.
I can't find James on the 1881 census at all for some reason, though I am sure I have found it in the past. And as for Lilly, well I have already been told they spelt her name wrong on the 1881 census and she is living in London, but I still can't find her.
Would anyone mind looking for James on the 1891 census for me and perhaps Lilly too... I don't think they were together by then though.
Thanks again as always,
Regards,
Liz
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Elizabeth is on her own in 1871.
1881
RG11/1376/116/11 - 77 Blackstock Rd, Hornsey
Francis BARING - Head - 34 - Plumber - Hampstead
Selina BARING - Wife - 32 - Blackfriars
Edith BARING - Dau - 8 - Islington
Henry BARING - Son - 5 - St Pancras
Elizabeth BARING - Dau - 3 - Islington
Mrs. BROTHWELL - Mother-in-law - 58 - St Lukes
L D STATTER - Niece - 11 - Scholar - Edmonton
E J STATTER - Nephew - 10 - Scholar - Crouch End
1891
RG12/732/24/42 - 2 Mayes Villa, Isle of Thanet
Sarah BROTHWELL - Head - Wid - 61 - Lodging House - St Lukes, London
Lilly D STATTER - G-dau - 21 - Edmonton
James E STATTER - G-son - 20 - Painter - Edmonton
Harry GREEN - Visitor - 6 - Scholar - Islington
Percy GREEN - Visitor - 4 - Scholar - Islington
Gertrude GREEN - Visitor - 1 - Islington
Lilly and James are both married in 1901 - do you need that info?
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I know pretty much all all about Lilly, though I have been told that the marriage took place 24 January 1900 at Countess of Huntingdon Connexion in Margate and it was believed that James was married to Adeline Wass in 1897 Colchester, Essex.
But any information greatfully received. Especially the 1901 census info.
Thanks again and regards,
Liz
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Lilly and James seem to have stayed close together:
1901
RG13/820/21/6 - Prior House, Garlinge, Margate
William John FULLER - Head - 25 - Plasterer - Minster, Kent
Lilly Dover FULLER - Wife - 30 - Edmonton
RG13/820/21/15 - Westdowne House, Garlinge, Margate
James Ernest STATTER - Head - 30 - House Painter - Hornsea, London
Annie STATTER - Wife - 24 - Colchester, Essex
Ruth STATTER - Dau - 2 - Hornsea, London
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Thanks so much, it's very nice to see that James and Lilly stayed close by. I'll have to ask my dad if he knows those houses... though they are probably house numbers by now... as he grew up in Garlinge himself.. a couple of doors up from where his grandparents lived at some point.. so could still be the same house. Lilly and William were his grandparents.
Again, thank you
With kind regards,
Liz
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I am interested in your Statter Family research, mine links to the same family via Elizabeth's sister Sarah who married Montague Watts Doubleday, I have quite a lot of info about the family if you would like to get in touch.
thanks Janet
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Dear Liz,
I have just started researching the life and work of Richard Dover Statter. You may know that he wrote a world-renowned pamphlet on the decimalisation of time. Related to this is a watch in the collection of the Worshipful Company of Clockmakers with a dial laid out for decimal 'reading'. The watch was apparently made by Richard's brother Thomas. So far I have been unable to discover much about Thomas, and certainly nothing to verify that he did indeed work as a watchmaker. Have you found anything more about the brothers please?
Regards.
David Buckden
www.theoldwatchword.blogspot.co.uk/
http://nivadanirvana.blogspot.co.uk/
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Hi
I picked up your request for info about Thomas Statter brother of Richard Dover Statter.
Thomas was born in Liverpool 20 Sept 1838 he is listed on the 1861 Census in Bare Morecambe as a watch maker, he died in 1868 and his trade was a watch maker, he left a will, the address on the will calendar was Coperas Hill Liverpool.
I have more info on this family I am researching his sister Sarah family.
I could snd you copies of the above if I have your email, regards Janet
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Dear Janet,
Thanks - that's very kind of you. I will send you a note of my e-mail address separately.
Sorry to see that Thomas, like his brother, died whilst only in his thirties; ironic since Richard and dad Edward were doctors, (and I have found a few newspaper reports of Edward being involved in inquests).
Richard's work on time measurement is a well respected work, but maybe he felt uncomfortable about having spent time/effort on it at the possible expense of his medical calling, as he used only his middle name for authorship purposes: Dover Statter.
On an incidental, mundane note, I also found details of a legal dispute over payment for a suit!
With kind regards.
David
www.theoldwatchword.blogspot.co.uk/
http://nivadanirvana.blogspot.co.uk/
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Hello, Lilly Dover Statter is my great great grandmother.
I was hoping someone could tell me a something about her heritage i am trying my best to find out but i am struggling. I cant seem to find where Dover comes from either my grandfather and all his siblings have Dover in their name, their mother was Doris Mary Fuller Lilly Daughter.
Any information or photos you may have would be great.
Thanks
Anna