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Does anyone have a copy of "His House on the Hill" Book which is the History of the 1st Presbyterian Church at Ballyeaston?
If so could I request a look up for any Families named SEMPLE from the Congregation Census of 1813.
Many Thanks
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Hi Skels
I have plenty of books!!! If you go to www.firstballyeaston.org you can order one online or just let me know. All money goes to the Church. (My Fathers is the Publisher)
There are two familys both in the townland of Ballyboley.
Artr. Semple aged 60 Farmer
Mary 63 wife
David 36
John 23
Ann 27
Jennet 25
Saml. Semple 34 Pedlar
Jas. Semple 47 Farmer
Margt., 60 Wife
Adopted Children
Jane Graham 19
Jas. Graham 17
If you need any more help with records of First Ballyeaston please let me know. I have access to the Baptismal records.
John
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John,
Thank you for the list, these tie up with what I found on the LDS site, with the exception of John they have 1785 as his approx birth, your list makes him born c. 1790.
It would appear that there is a gap of 10 yrs between Samuel & John of course there may have been daughters born during this time who were then married by 1813.
I guessed the line I am looking for stemmed from Arthur, as the David I am looking at also named a Son Arthur in 1844.
You mentioned you have access to Baptism records, would there be any chance you have access to Marriages? I was in Proni last Oct and saw that all the BMD's for this church had been put into a Spreadsheet format (I believe because of the fragile condition of the records). But of course at that time I was only looking for Pollock/Poag/Pogues not Semples!!
My dilemma is David Semple born c. 1809 married Elizabeth Gamble circa 1834 both were of Ballyboley - I had hoped that he would be the son of one of Arthur's sons. It may be that his family did not attend Ballyeaton 1st, but the other Ballyeaston Presbyterian church, or was it that children were not recorded?
Sorry this sounds very garbled, but I trust you follow my thought pattern trying to fit David born c . 1809 back to Arthur born c. 1753.
The reason for all this is we know David is the Father of our Illegitimate 2xGt Grandfather John Ferguson who was Baptised at Larne & Kilwaughter NSP in June 1834 as David Semple, Weaver of Upper Ballyboley was named as the Father.
If you are able to shred any small glimmer of light I would really appreciate it.
Lynn
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Hi Lynn
John's age in the 1813 census could be incorrect. I will have to check this with the records at PRONI. I don't have a copy of the Marriage records at home but the next time I am at Proni I will have a look for you.
At Proni there is also Microfilm of the Original registers as well are the Spreadsheet ones. Only The Baptismal register have been computerised so far and we in the middle of putting the Marriage records on.
I must warn you that it is difficult to find many records before 1800's for the Ballyeaston area.
John
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Thanks John.
I fully appreciate the difficulty regarding early records, and also after spending 5 days (incl the late night opening on Thursday) never moving from my seat in the "Film" room in Proni - even if records have been filmed, how challenging at times it was to transcribe them!!! I don't envy your task - I have to admit that the finding of Ballyeaston 1st Baptism Index in Spreadsheet format was "heaven to my weary eyes" - but as I said before sadly at the time I was concentrating on just the name of Pollock & it's variations.
Perhaps one day they may allow the whole spreadsheet file to be put on their website, it was great just being able to Filter out the names I was looking for.
I would be interested in knowing any details of the David's marriage in 1834 if it is recorded, as possibly this explains (if he was previously betrothed) why David Semple did not marry Sarah Ferguson of Kilwaughter & left her with an illegitimate child. (In which case would I have still been here asking these questions??? - one never knows - there are a lot of what ifs, if onlys or maybes etc in this life).
Look forward to reading whatever else you are able to pass on.
Lynn
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Hi Lynn
Sorry for the delay but I found a marriage for David Semple, Ballyboley to Eliz Gamble, Ballyalbana on 24 December 1834 in presence of Robert Wilson and Samuel Currie in First Ballyeaston Presbyterian Church.
John
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Hi John,
Now it is my turn to apologise for the delay in replying to thank you for the Marriage Information on David Semple & Elizabeth Gamble - I will have a look at the Family again soon.
I've spent most of the summer working again on my Pollock/Poag families along with another girl - trying to weave the threads together. I have suddenly been given a new snippet of information which relates to another Ballyeaston 1st Marriage, which I hope you don't mind me asking for yet another favour.
I appreciate that PRONI has now closed until next year, and that you said you were working on the Marriages.......I'm just hoping you may have got to 1860. It may be that the information I'm looking for may not have been recorded anyway - the Father's names of the couple. We have the following information :
Thomas Pollock married Eliza Haveron at Ballyeaston 1st Presbyterian on 1st March 1860 - Witnesses were John Ferguson (my Gt Gt G/F) & Margaret Stirling. It also states that Thomas' Father was Robert Pollock, what I'm now interested to know is who Elizabeth's Father was? if it was Daniel Haveron possible Occupation Ship's Carpenter, then this could tie in with the new information I've found.
Anyway I'll keep my fingers crossed you may have got to 1860, but if not will just have to be patient until next year!
Once again many thanks for the help you have given me already.
Lynn
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Hi Lynn
Eliza Haveron's Father was James Haveron a Labourer from KILLYGLEN BALLYEASTON.
I can find no other connection for either your Pollock or Haveron's to 1st Ballyeaston. It could be possible that they came to Ballyeaston to get married because their own church had no minister at the time.
Can I ask where you got your information from that includes the witnesses names?
John
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Hi John
Thanks for letting me know Elizabeth's Father's name - this now looks unlikely that the man in New Jersey USA line is connected to ours. But at least I can give him all the correct details.
As far as to where the Witness info came from, it was from a lady in Canada who had been at PRONI back in 2001 and had noted down various Pollock/Poag/Pogue connections that may have had connections to her family, so presumably she must have read the film.
Thanks again for the swift reply
Lynn
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Hi, jwagh
I am doing the Robinson genealogy and was very interested in the book about Ballyeaston Presbyterian. My great gtandfather, James Robinson, was born in Holestone in 1863, to Archibald Robinson and Jane Kielty. They had another son, Samuel Robinson, born on 18 September, 1869, a daughter, Margaret, born 26 May1872, and a daughter, Jane, born 22 July, 1874.
Archibald Robinson and Jane Kielty were married in May Street Presbyterian Church on May 31, 1861, and their witnesses were James Beggs and Jane Todd. Archibald's fathere was Thomas Robinson, a farmer from Rashee.
James immigrated to Boston in 1889, but, I believe that his brother, Samuel had a farm in Rashee at that time, and his sister, Margaret, married a Robert Erskine.
Ballyeaston would have been a logical choice for church, I believe, so, if any of this sounds familiar, I would so appreciate the help.
Thanks, Antrim777
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Hi Antrim 777
The History Book 'His House on the Hill' is avaible to buy from the Church website www.firstballyeaston.org
I have had a look at out Baptismal records and can find no Robinsons, Kielty or Erskine's you mentioned.
Regards
John
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Hi
I have bben most interested in rerading your exchanges about the 1st Ballyeaston Presbyterian Church and action under way to computerise the baptism etc records.
I am pursuing some info on Baxters of Ballyboley and Headwood who were members of the 2nd Ballyeaston Church. The microfilm record in PRONI is very difficult to read and I am wondering if there is a similar project under way for this church. Would you be aware of any such development or who one might approach to view the original records.
Many thanks
denis
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Hi Denis
Unfortunately there is no such project under way in 2nd Ballyeaston that I know of to computerise their records. In 1st Ballyeaston we computerised out Baptismal records about 20 years ago and are in the middle of doing our Marriage records. Its a long process but we hope to get finished some time.
Some of 2nd's records are a bit hard to read but the index for the early records helps.
The microfilm copies at PRONI are images of the Original registers so they will also be hard to read.
What time frame are you looking for Baxters as I know the are gaps in the registers.
Regards
John
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Hi John
Many thanks for your quick reply.
I should explain that I am making enquiries on behalf of a friend Denise living in New Zealand who is descended from James Baxter of Headwood/Ballyboley who emigrated there around 1884. James' date of birth is what Denise is trying to find. She thinks it was in 1861/2/3. His parents were Robert Baxter of Upper Ballyboley and Maria McKinstry of Graiginorne who married in Kikwaughter/Larne NSP church on 30 Nov 1855. I have found for Denise in the 2nd Ballyeaston details of some of the baptisms of children of the marriage:-1856 Elizabeth;1857 Mary Anne; 1859 Sarah; 1861 (no name). The PRONI microflim baptism record ends in 1862, begins again in 1865-7 and then 1883-1967. I also know from the LDS records that twins joseph and Robert Hugh were born in March 1864; a daughter Maria (who did not survive long) was born in June 1865 and finally another Maria was born in 1869 shortly before her mother Maria died in that year. Robert remarried in 1870 to Sarah Agnew of Craiginorne.
Unfortunately, as you can see, James' birth falls between the end of the church records in 1861 and the beginning of civil registration in 1864.
By the way, the parentsd of Robert baxter were James baxter and Mary Greenlees.
Anything you can do to pin down James' birth date or any other info on the family would be much appreciated.
best wishes
den
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Hi skels
I have just recently discovered your original post concerning Thomas Pollock and Eliza Haveron. Thomas Pollock was my g g grandfather. I was hoping you may have more information about both Thomas and Eliza. From your original post I have learnt that Thomas' father was Robert and Elizas' father was James, but I have no other information.
Thomas Pollock b 1843 d 1912 (father Robert Pollock b ? ) m Eliza Haveron b 1841 d ? (father James Haveron b ?)
children: Samuel b 1878 d ?
Thomas b 1870 d ?(my g grandfather) m Lizzie Weir b 1875 ( William Weir b 1826 - Ellen Weir b 1838)
Hoping you may have a snippet of information
Regards terpol
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Hi Terpol,
Sadly no at present I have no further info on Thomas & Elisa - it's quite some time since I worked on this line...........but that is not to say I have given up.
Where abouts are you based?....and could I ask how you connect back to to Thomas?.............it's just some years ago I had been given information relating to this line still in Kilwaughter, Larne NI, and even visited a cemetery there with my husband but sadly to no vail!!
From you message you say Thomas died in 1912 do you know the whereabouts of this death?
This line has been very much my "Brick wall" but hopefully, with the help/assistance of another line of the family perhaps together we will be able to crack the ancestry of them all!!
I'm extremely interested in your Gt Grandmother's name Weir, as some work I did with another girl on the Pollock/Pogue line, thought that Robert Pollock/Pogue (b. c. 1810-20 father of our Sarah & your Thomas) may have had a wife names Agnes Weir...........she we think was his 2nd Wife .
Please feel happy to share whatever small amount of detail you have, as together we just might!!!!!!!!!........................be able to "crack the case" so to speak.
With Kindest regards
Lynn
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Hello Lynn
Thank you for your prompt reply.
I live in Victoria, Australia.
Thomas Pollock was my g g grandfather in direct paternal line and I know from Irish census of 1901 and 1911 he was bron in Co. Armagh which most of my Pollock descendents come from...in particular Larne Co. Antrim as was his son, my g grandfather, Thomas b 1870.
I will detail below what information I have gathered but this is also my 'brick wall' in my search for ealier relatives.
From the date you give for Robert Pollock (b circa 1810-20) this seems quite possible he is Thomas' father but I have no evidence of any other children ie your Sarah.
Thomas Pollock m Eliza Haveron b 1841 d ?(f James Haveron, from information you supplied earlier)
children....Samuel b 1878 d?
Thomas b 1870 d?(my g grandfather)
Thomas married Lizzie Weir b 1874 d ?
children....William Weir Pollock b 1899 d 1967(my granfather)
Hugh Alexander Pollock b 1898 d ?
Mary Ellen b 1903 d ?
Thomas b 1905 d?
Isabella b 1908 d ?
I can expand further on my grandfather if you wish, just let me know and I will send details.
I have a copy of Thomas Pollocks b 1870, birth certificate, 1 March 1870 Headwood, Kilwaughter, his mother as Eliza Pollcok formerly Haveron.and his father Thomas, Kilwaughter NI
Weir
Lizzie Weir b 1874 d ? daughter of William Weir b 1826 d?-Ellen Weir b 1838 d?
I have a copy of Thomas and Lizzie's marriage certificate dated 12th Nov 1897
married in the First Larne Presbyterian church by John Lyle Douahley(difficult to read,maynot be correct spelling)
Thomas profession was 'labourer',place of residence at time of marriage, Kilwaughter, Lizzie 'spinster'.place of residence Millbrook.Her father listed as William Weir 'labourer'
Witness...Samuel Pollock(Thomas' brother)...Ellen Jane Weir (Lizzies' sister ?)
This is where my search has come to a dead end but I include the following information which may help.
William died prior to 1901 as the 1901 Irish census lists Ellen Weir as 'head of family' with her children,son in law (Thomas) and grandsons (incl my grandfather) listed.
Those children are....Lizzie b 1874....Ellen J (J=possibly Jane)b 1877 d?.....Alexander b 1882 d?
So William must have died sometime between 1882 and 1901
I have no other information about Ellen Weir (maiden name unknown)
If Agnes Weir was Roberts second wife, perhaps this is a coincidence but you never know.
Hope this information is of some help and I will keep searching and pass on any informatin I think relevent
Kind reagrds
Terence
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Hi Terence,
Couple of further quick questions for you if you don't mind:
What were the names of your Grandfather William's children & where were they born? Ireland or Australia?
Who was the first of the family to arrive in Australia, did they go directly to Victoria or land at another point.
Just trying to get a starting point in Australia and then work backwards.
Many Thanks,
Lynn
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Hello Lynn
William Weir Pollock had 3 children, wife Elizabeth Crooks Pollock (nee Perry)
Samuel John Alexander b 1921 (my father)
Janet (Nettie) b 1923
Martha (Meta) b 1926
All were born in Larne Nth Ireland
The whole family migrated to Australia arriving in South Australia on 12th Feb 1927 aboard the RMS Otranto. Now I have been unable to trace any official records of their arrival and only have a note written by my father with the details of the ship, its captain, Capt H.G.Staunton, and the ages, last birthday, of each member of the family.
Let me know if you need further information?
Kind regards
Terence
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Hi,
9 Sept 1921 William Weir Pollock married Elizabeth Crook Perry in Sandys Street First Presbyterian Church, Newry. In Irish terms Newry is a considerable distance from Larne.
Regards
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Hi Kingskerswell,
Thanks for such a precise date and the name of the church, I'm sure Terence in Australia will be delighted to add this to his family data.
I agree that Newry is a long way from Larne, but must persume that this was her home town, again Terence may be able to confirm that.
Can I enquire how you had the exact details?
Many Thanks once again from both Terence and myself
Lynn
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Hello Kingskerswell
Thank you for the information as I had been unable to locate a marriage certificate for my grandparents. The information I have, according to both the 1901 and 1911 census, is that my grandmother was born and lived in Larne. Co. Antrim. In the 1901 census she lived at Waterloo Road, Larne and the 1911 census she lived in Newington Ave, Larne. My grandfather was born in Kilwaughter (according to his birth certificate) and in the 1901 census he was listed as 'residents of a house 9 in Drumahoe (Kilwaughter, Antrim)'. The 1911 census the family had moved to Carsons St. Larne, Antrim. As I am not familiar with the geography of Nth Ireland I have no idea why they were married in Newry, I can only speculate that they moved nearer that location or were living there at the time of their marriage. This is as much information as I have been able to gather and not having access to records here in Australia it has been a difficult search, but thanks to your generosity I have pieced together some other useful facts. My search for other decendents ie further back than my gg grandfather have also been fruitless.
Thanks again for the information it is much appreciated.
Kind regards
Terence
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Hi John
Many thanks for your quick reply.
I should explain that I am making enquiries on behalf of a friend Denise living in New Zealand who is descended from James Baxter of Headwood/Ballyboley who emigrated there around 1884. James' date of birth is what Denise is trying to find. She thinks it was in 1861/2/3. His parents were Robert Baxter of Upper Ballyboley and Maria McKinstry of Graiginorne who married in Kikwaughter/Larne NSP church on 30 Nov 1855. I have found for Denise in the 2nd Ballyeaston details of some of the baptisms of children of the marriage:-1856 Elizabeth;1857 Mary Anne; 1859 Sarah; 1861 (no name). The PRONI microflim baptism record ends in 1862, begins again in 1865-7 and then 1883-1967. I also know from the LDS records that twins joseph and Robert Hugh were born in March 1864; a daughter Maria (who did not survive long) was born in June 1865 and finally another Maria was born in 1869 shortly before her mother Maria died in that year. Robert remarried in 1870 to Sarah Agnew of Craiginorne.
Unfortunately, as you can see, James' birth falls between the end of the church records in 1861 and the beginning of civil registration in 1864.
By the way, the parentsd of Robert baxter were James baxter and Mary Greenlees.
Anything you can do to pin down James' birth date or any other info on the family would be much appreciated.
best wishes
den
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Hello Mr Hamill, Robert Baxter was my wife's ggrandfather - he was the gamekeeper at Kilwaughter castle and lived in the little Lodge House. James Baxter was born 25 December 1869 in the Lodge House (which still stands - I photographed it 2 weeks ago). If your friend wants more info I have a family tree done for the Baxters (and the Ogilbys) and would be delighted to pass a copy to her. We live once again in Northern Ireland having retired here from Scotland. I have some photos which may be of interest.
I have only just come across your enquiry so reply to me if you still have an interest!
John Laird
PS I have attached a photo of Robert Baxter standing outside the Lodge House with Maria McKinstry.
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Hi John
Good to hear from you. If you wouldn't mind emailing me at:-
dhamill351@virginmedia.com
I could give you Denise's email address and you could contact her direct. She is very much looking forward to your info.
best wishes
den
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This message is for Antrim777 who is doing the Robinson genealogy. Yesterday, I learned that my Mary Lawson Beggs of Ballyvoy, Parish of Kilbride married a James Robinson. She was baptised in Kilbride Presbyterian Church in 1848 so guessing marriage would be about 1870. Do you have this marriage in your records? I don't have parents for James. I know that Mary was still alive in April 1880.
I did find a James Robinson in 1911 in Carnlea, wife Mary, who is 69. Age is wrong but area is where the Beggs were known to have land. I also found a death for a Mary Robinson on Apr 10, 1910 in Carnlea so if this is the correct Mary's death, then that can't be her on the 1911 census. Do you have any information on this couple?
Thanks
Peggy
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Hi,
8 Oct 1872 James Robinson married Mary Beggs in Kilbride Presbyterian Church. The fathers' names were Thomas Robinson and Thomas Beggs.
Regards
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Fantastic. thank you so much.
Peggy
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Hi,
See https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bfather_givenname%3Ajames~%20%2Bfather_surname%3Arobinson~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3Amary~%20%2Bmother_surname%3Abeggs~
This gives some children for the couple. I think that the Scottish births are a different couple.
Regards
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Thanks again, Kingskerswell. I did enter the children found on familysearch. The information from Maryland did help me a lot with some spouses for the female Beggs, also males.
My Thomas had a sister Margaret born 1796 who, at the time of brother Robert's will written in Jan 1876, was married to James Waddell. According to the Maryland family tree, Margaret had married to William John Wright and had a son William John Wright. I am thinking, but could be wrong, that William was probably her first marriage and James her second. I have looked for both marriages and both husband's wills, and wills written by Margaret using both surnames but found nothing. Margaret was born 1796 probably in either Carnlea, Carulla Parish or Brookfield, Ballyeaston or Kilbride, so thinking first marriage probably about 1814 and son William born perhaps 1816-1820. James Waddell and Margaret were both alive in Jan 1876.
If you can find this couple, I would be deeply appreciative.
Peggy
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Sadly no at present I have no further info on Thomas & Elisa - it's quite some time since I worked on this line...........but that is not to say I have given up.
............it's just some years ago I had been given information relating to this line still in Kilwaughter, Larne NI, and even visited a cemetery there with my husband but sadly to no vail!!
This line has been very much my "Brick wall" but hopefully, with the help/assistance of another line of the family perhaps together we will be able to crack the ancestry of them all!!
Are you still following up on this family? May have some info for you.
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Not sure if anyone's still looking, but I think the Thomas Pollock / Eliza Haveron mentioned here may be connected to my family tree. The connection is through the Haveron side - I have an Eliza Haveron married to a Thomas Pollock, whose parents were James Haveron and Jane (or Jean) Kirkwood. There's also a list of siblings for Eliza - James, Patrick, Hugh / Francis, Samuel + Jane.
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Have you ever come across the names Agnew & Kerr?
Information I have is Henry Agnew & Elizabeth Kerr we’re married in the Ballyeaston church.
They had a son Robert who also could have been baptized there.
Thanks
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Have you ever come across the names Agnew & Kerr?
Information I have is Henry Agnew & Elizabeth Kerr we’re married in the Ballyeaston church.
They had a son Robert who also could have been baptized there.
Thanks
For reference more details-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=788059.msg6435133#msg6435133
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Hello
First post on here. I am looking for information on McMurry's in the 1st or 2nd Ballyeaston registers. I have managed to extract 2 families in the 2nd Ballyeaston Presbyterian microfilm held by PRONI. James and George from the Grange of Ballywalter townland I have also extracted a number of marriages from the GRONI website. However the baptisms for the period from around 1840 onwards are not particularly readable on the PRONI microfilm of the 2nd Ballyeaston registers. It is my suspicion there is at least one baptism in the period from 1840 onwards - possibly a Mary A McMurry in 1844. Also I could only find one marriage on the microfilm, for George McMurry, and again his wife's name is unreadable. Any help or advice would be appreciated.
Jason