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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Kent => Topic started by: Chris in 1066Land on Wednesday 17 March 10 12:50 GMT (UK)
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Hi Kent researchers
Following a request from an Old Lady I have been following her Husbands Ancestors back through time (see Pettitt on the Suffolk Boards) and now she would like me to trace her ancestors who were Ag Labs and Shepherds in Kent.
This time the surname is APPS, especially in Brenzett where they were carpenters, Wheelrights and later became fishermen.
I understand that in Breznett churchyard there are a row of tomstones to the Apps family - does anyone have any names and dates from same please.
I have traced them back through time via the census returns, so that area is covered, so now am spefically looking for Parish Register entries to confirm these details.
Thanking you all in advance
Chris in 1066
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There are no APPS on the Kent Archaeological Society website MIs for Brenzett (but there are some in nearby Brookland)
http://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/Research/Libr/MIs/MIsBrenzett/01.htm
There is a Richard APPS mentioned on the tithe award for Brenzett
http://kentarchaeology.org.uk/Research/Maps/BRN/02.htm
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Brenzett is included in the Mid Kent marriage Index 1754-1911
http://woodchurchancestry.org.uk/midkentmarriages/
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Hi Bearkat
Thanks for those links, Have had a look and noted contents - looks as though they will be coming in handy pretty soon.
I think the old lady said Breznett when she should have clearly said Brookland, but maybe the doubt is that they lived in 2 Lakes Cottages at Breznett for all of their lives.
As I said before
Thanks
Chris in 1066
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Hi, In Brookland there is an Alfred Apps b 1868 to a couple Frederick and Dennis who are living in Brenzett, and then earlier, a Walter Apps born in Brenzett but baptised in Brookland.
Frederick A was born it seems in Fairfield but his parents and Walters parents were lab s and shepherds..
Can you tell me of a specific name?
Also a friend researching EPPS has found the name changes to Apps in many cases so is collecting both of these surnames.
I can put you in touch with her if you want me to.
All the best
Lis
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Hi lis
Thanks for that info - am sure it will come in handy soon
As I said in an earlier post, I have only just started this side of her family for the Old Lady in the Care Home, but will soon get up to speed with it I think
Thanks anyway
Chris in 1066
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Hi again Lis
Sorry, fogot to say that the Apps family from the 1911 census which is the grandfather of the old lady is as follows
Edward James Apps and his wife Annie Elizabeth Fowler, married in 1896 and lived at Laker Cottages, Brenzett
They had 6 children including Richard George Apps (her father) who married Kathleen Hester Giles and lived at 1 & 2 Laker Cottages in Brenzett which I believe they eventually owned.
Anyway, any help would be appreciated
Chris in 1066
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Hi again Lis
Just done a bit of browsing on the census via the internet and it looks like the direct line is as follows
Reginald George William Apps and Kathleen Hester Giles married 1921
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Edward James Apps and Annie Elizabeth Fowler married 1896
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John Clarke Apps (Shepherd) and Harriett Barden? married about 1866 in Tenterden
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Thomas Apps and Ann Ferris married about 1835
or something like that
Chris in 1066
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brookland
Thomas Apps m Ann Ferris 18/4/1835 she sp ,he ba
Lis
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Brookland Baptisms of children of Thomas & ann Apps
Wm 7/8/1836
John Clark 22/7/1838
Mary Ann 27/9/1840
Ann 18/5/1845
Thos Edward 23/6/1847
Walter 10/10/1852
Henry 18/2/1855
George 31/3/1850
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Hi Lis
You are a little treasure, thanks for that info ;D
During the course of today, am hoping to get to grips with this side of her family
but once again, thanks chuck
Chris in 1066
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Hi
I have found the children of John Clark Apps and Harriet Barden in Ivychurch.
Do you want them?
Lis
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Ivychurch
Reg Geo Wm Apps s/ Edmund James & Annie Eliz b 19/8/1900
Do you want all the siblings?
Edward James Apps b 28/9/1873 s/ John Clark & Harriet, John a looker in Ivychurch
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Hi Lis
Thanks for your offer - just got to check up with what I have got - mostly from the census returns though (1841 - 1911), and then I will come back to you.
But I shold imagine that any info you have from any other source wwould be great especially Parish Register entries etc
Chris in 1066
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Hi Lis
The children I have for John Clark and Harriet are as follows:
Elizabeth born 1867 Kent
William Thomas born 1869 Ivychuch
Emely Eveline born 1872 Ivychurch
Edward James born 1873 Ivychurch
Rhoda Alice born 1877 Ivychurch
Frances Kate born 1879 Ivychurch
Alfred John born 1887 Ivychurch
As I said in an ealier post, these have come from following the family through the 1861 to 1891 census, and as there are gaps between the births such as the 8 years between Frances and Alfred - then maybe more children were born, bapt but died early and never made it to a census.
Would appreciate any further info
Chris in 1066
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Hi Lis
Ivychurch
Reg Geo Wm Apps s/ Edmund James & Annie Eliz b 19/8/1900
Do you want all the siblings?
Edward James Apps b 28/9/1873 s/ John Clark & Harriet, John a looker in Ivychurch
I have the following:
Edward & Annie
Alice Edith Florence 1897 Ivychurch
Arthur Edward Clark 1899 Ebony, Kent
Reginald George William 1900 Romney Marsh
Lewis Cecil John 1902 Brenzett
Marie Kate Francis 1903 Brenzett
John Thomas 1907 Brenzett
Chris in 1066
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Ivychurch all of John Clark A & harriet
Eliz Ann Wheeler 7/4/1867
William Thos 16/5/1869
Emely E....? 16/7/1871
Ed James 28/9/1873
Rhoda Alice 30/7/1876
Frances Kate 27/10/1878
Alfred John 29/8/1886
George Henry 14/8/1881
There are no Apps Burials
Just off for a walk so will do others later
Lis
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Hi Lis
Thanks for that info, now duly entered into the database.
Had to alter one or two birth dates by 1 year as working out from census does sometimes get it slightly wrong, and its not very politically correct to have them born after their bapt date is it ;D
Enjoy your walk
Chris in 1066
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Brookland a puzzle
Charles Apps b 1/4/1860 John Clerk Apps and Martha!!
In Ivychurch
children of Edmund or Edward James & Annie Elizabeth
Alice Edith Florence 19/4/1897 dad a lab in Ivychurch
Arthur Edward Clark 15/1/1899 dad shepherd from Brookland
Reginald Geo Wm 19/8/1900 from now on dad described as carpenter of Brenzett
Lewis Cecil John 26/5/1902
Marie Kate Frances 6/12/1903
and twin Olive Annie Elizabeth 6/12/1903
John Thomas 3/6/1906
Lis
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Hi Lis
Thanks for the new information - great stuff
That problem is not really a problem as John Clark Apps married Martha Austin in the Sept Q of 1859; Charles was registered in April 1860 but his death was also registered in the June Quarter of 1860 and Martha died in the Sept Quarter of 1860 - (obviously complications associated with child birth I would have thought) John then married Harriett in 1867
Chris in 1066
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Hi
I have apps in my family as well My gg Uncle Richard James Clark Webb married a Olivet Jane Apps dob 1853 in Brookland they alson Married in brookland in 1881, i beleive her father to be John Apps dob 1823 brookland
regards sharon