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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: kathboon on Tuesday 16 March 10 12:53 GMT (UK)
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Having trawled through the BT for Warkworth I have hopefully found some information that I need. Unfortunately three of the entries are quite hard to transcribe. Could anyone help?
Warkworth 1760-1796
Page 6
18/108/1765 Baptism of Jane, daughter of Henry Donkin of Berlin - is this right, as I have never heard of this place
Page 41
15/11/1781 Marriage of William Dunkin and Ann S******* - cannot make out the surname
Page 51
27/08/1786 Baptism of Margaret, daughter of John Dunkin of ******** - cannot make this out
I also have a couple of people from Glosterhill in the parish of Warkworth - does anyone know where this is?
Many thanks
Kath
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Well the first one certainly does look like Berlin ... however there appears to be a Birling in Warkworth. :-\ (try google ;)) I wonder if there was some confusion over the name.
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Hi
Just to start I think Berlin would be Birling which is about 1 mile from Warkworth. (I agree Ruskie) :)
Gloster Hill is 1.3 miles from Warkworth
Information taken from
http://www.genuki.org.uk/cgi-bin/places?NBL,NU246062,5,Warkworth
Evie
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William Dunkin and Ann Spears
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John Dunkin of Maidenhead/Maidenshead/MaidenshaXXX? :-\
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Gloster Hill
http://www.zoomf.com/uk/northumberland/gloster-hill/property/buy
Lots on google ;)
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John Dunkin of Maidenhead/Maidenshead/MaidenshaXXX? :-\
Yes I thought that although there is a Maiden House 3 miles from Warkworth in Northumberland
Evie
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Hi Ruskie and Evie
That was quick, thanks.
Am new to trawling through the BTs and am just starting to pick up various sites posted here to look at.
All my research at the moment has been from the census, but am not trying to get back a bit further.
The family originally came from Scotland (we think), and consequently there are numerous variations of the spelling of Donkin.
Thanks again
Kath
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Evie - I suppose it could be Maiden House. :-\
Donkin/Dunkin/Duncan - yep, sounds Scottish ;D
But have a look here for Donkin:
http://www.nationaltrustnames.org.uk/
Says it's English.
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GLOSTER-HILL, a township, in the parish of Warkworth, union of Alnwick, E. division of Coquetdale ward, N. division of Northumberland, 8½ miles (S. E.) from Alnwick; containing 18 inhabitants. The township is situated on the southern bank of the Coquet, near its confluence with the North Sea; and comprises 260 acres of excellent land, tithe-free, in equal portions of arable and pasture. The surface is undulated, and the view of the sea extensive. The Hall, which stood on an eminence near the Coquet, was burnt down in 1760.
From: 'Glatton - Gloster-Hill', A Topographical Dictionary of England (1848), pp. 298-301. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=50982 Date accessed: 01 March 2010.
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Just to start I think Berlin would be Birling which is about 1 mile from Warkworth.
You can see Berlin just north of Warkworth on this old map http://communities.northumberland.gov.uk/006951FS.htm
Gloster Hill is south-east of Warkworth on the same map (by the old course of the river)
Jennifer
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Wonderful map and great find Jennifer. ;D
(I love the comment about the river)
Am a bit disappointed that Armstrong only mapped the area around Warkworth - wish
he'd done the whole county. :-\
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I've been trying to find Maiden??? There is a Maiden Hall listed in Warkworth Parish in the 1841 census, but I can't find it on any of the maps.
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Found it! Just below the centre line of this map - north-west of Widdrington. http://communities.northumberland.gov.uk/006833FS.htm
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Am a bit disappointed that Armstrong only mapped the area around Warkworth - wish
he'd done the whole county. :-\
he did a fair amount of the county - have a look at some of the other towns listed (you need to click on 'plans' for each community to find it.) http://communities.northumberland.gov.uk/Communities.htm
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Yes! Maiden Hall is found! ;D
Thanks for the link Jennifer - I will have a good look. :) I must have misread the spiel to get the impression he'd only mapped Warkworth. :-[
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Just a wee snippet, Maidens Hall is/was a huge opencast coal mine.
Gary
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Ruskie,
Yesterday Lieutenant Andrew Armstrong " and Son" , rolled in their graves when you said you were disapponited that he only mapped Warkworth area and not the county !
With great toil he/they mapped the whole county. And as Jennifer points out much of the map appears within the appropriate communities sections within the web site. But Northumbland County Record Office did not use the complete map of 1769, as their list of communities did not include every community in the county.
Seemingly making the map was very expensive, but Duke of Northumberland and other landowners helped with the costs.
It was, is ? available from Northumberland CRO (Woodhorn) for 30 GBPs.
Michael
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Ruskie,
Yesterday Lieutenant Andrew Armstrong " and Son" , rolled in their graves when you said you were disapponited that he only mapped Warkworth area and not the county !
With great toil he/they mapped the whole county. And as Jennifer points out much of the map appears within the appropriate communities sections within the web site. But Northumbland County Record Office did not use the complete map of 1769, as their list of communities did not include every community in the county.
Seemingly making the map was very expensive, but Duke of Northumberland and other landowners helped with the costs.
It was, is ? available from Northumberland CRO (Woodhorn) for 30 GBPs.
Michael
Yes Michael, I did add my embarrassed face after I realised my mistake. I hope the Armstrongs (and you) forgive me.
It's the sort of map I like - nice and clear and includes all those small places that are sometimes omitted from other maps but mentioned on early PR's. I looked at many of the maps in the communities section and noticed that the RO has missed out some sections.
I would consider purchasing the map but £30 is a bit steep for something that I'd keep rolled up most of the time. (No spare wall spce in my house ;))
Apologies again to "Andrew Armstrong and son" :-[
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Ruskie,
No need for any apologies to me- your comment let me have a chuckle !
I too have enjoyed the maps included within NBL Communities- and they have solved many anomalies for me. (As has the County Record Office's database- which they call "Farm Index", which lists farms and places within appropriate Townships and Parishes)
I am also fortunate to be able to periodically question helpful Keith ( he works
at NBL County Record Office -at Woodhorn). He was instrumental in the setting up of the Communities site some years ago and explained how there was great competition for inclusions.
Notice that although Armstrong mapped the south-east of the county
(e.g. Newcastle>Wallsend>North Shields>Tynemouth>Whitley>Earsdon etc) none of the area gets included because it is not in modern-day Northumberland. That probably a "budget" issue.
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With a surname of Dixon, it would be nice for me to claim ancestry to Jeremiah Dixon, born Cockfield, County Durham, who with Charles Mason mapped the so-called "Mason-Dixon Line" in America- also in 1760s. The rest as they say is History.
Although my nickname at school was Dixie (or was it Dixy ? lol) I am from a line of Cumbrian Dixons, so can not claim link to clever Co Durham Dixons.
Michael
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Yes. Michael, I noticed that the areas you mentioned weren't included (and they're the places some of my lot hail from :-\)
Tell 'Helpful Keith' he's done a good job with the site.
I'm also interested in the "Farm Index" - I'll try googling that. ;)
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http://www.northumberland.gov.uk/default.aspx?page=1667#farmindex
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Thank you Jennifer. Doing links is not one of my skills.
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Another helpful tool on Northumberland place names is book "GOODWIFE HOT, Northumberland's Past in it's Place Names" by Godfrey Watson, pub.1970.
He writes....
" The honour of bearing the oldest English name in Northumberland may well go to BIRLING near Warkworth, which was probably founded in the C6th. As late as 1187 it was still known as BERLINGA, meaning - Of the Sons of the Cupbearer, or perhaps, less romantically, - Of the man whose shield bore the device of a Boar.
" At GLOSTER HILL near Amble, a Roman altar was discovered in 1856 and there are other signs of Roman occupation; hence the name GLOUCESTRE in 1178. The better known Gloucester, in the county of that name, derives it's name from ceaster, for "camp" and from the Celtic word "bright" or "splendid"
In the case of GLOSTER HILL it is just possible that the name is a corruption of of Goatchester, the Goats being the Marshy land by te Gildean burn where salt used to be made.
" Maidens Hall (once Face-the-Deil) is one of those names like Maiden Castle and Maiden's Causeway, the literal meaning of which is obvious but any sensible explanation singularly lacking. Was the place inhabited by Maiden Ladies. was it originally a Hill so easily defensible that Girls could have held it against all comers? Were3 Nuns involved ? One simply does not know"
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Michael
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http://www.northumberland.gov.uk/default.aspx?page=1667#farmindex
Terrific thanks Jennifer - I'll have hours of fun with that.