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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: gemma o on Monday 15 March 10 23:47 GMT (UK)
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hi everyone.
i am new to this site and wondered if any one can help me find the date my 3x great aunt passed away in papakura auckland new zealand. her name was mary ann winchester and was born 1830 in elgin morayshire scotland. she married james rhind in elgin and emigrated around 1865/66 as a son was born in 1866 in papakura. i cannot seem to find out also where her burial took place . i will be very greatfull for any help. thank you for any help anyone can give me.
kindest regards........gemma o
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Hi gemma o
... and welcome. :)
This looks to be the death of Mary Ann RHIND. (There was no listing for a "Mary Ann").
1908 - RHIND - Mary - 78 years - (born abt. 1830)
Date of death : 28 November 1908
The Papakura District Council appear to hold cemetery records for that area ... but if not, they'll be able to point you in the right direction. You can find an email contact at the following link.
http://www.pdc.govt.nz
~ Lu
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The Papakura District Council appear to hold cemetery records for that area ... but if not, they'll be able to point you in the right direction. You can find an email contact at the following link.
http://www.pdc.govt.nz
~ Lu
Yes they do and if you ask them, they might include the cemetery layout of Mary Ann's resting place.
The NZSG branch of Papakura, have transcriptions of the burials, this helps when headstones are hard to read, if you aren't in NZ and would like a photo of the headstone, let me know and I will take one, but won't be able to do it for a couple of weeks though.
Cheers
KHP :)
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Hi Gemma,
I have just looked on my cemetery plan of the plots, and I can see two "Rhinds", unfortunately no christian names have been written on the page. Most likely these are yours.
Cheers
KHP :)
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Burial records for a James Rhind on:
NZSG Cemetery Fiche Papakura Cemetery B05.44
record 755 and Mrs is 756
So maybe no M/I
Bye
Althea
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Buried in the Presbyterian section.
Cheers
KHP
Added: Apologies, I was ahead of myself when I said the "Transcription of Burials" I should have said "Transcription of Headstones"
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Tis married into my family, drop me line cuz .... 8)
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That was easy. :D
Were they the ones you were looking for MK2 when you went to Papakura?
Cheers
KHP
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They came over on the VIOLA in 1865.
James RHIND, very well known, his house on Redhills just sold a few months back.
Very big family
"Viola"
http://www.nzetc.org/tm/scholarly/tei-Bre02Whit-t1-body-d2-d7-d16.html
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Came over on the VIOLA in 1865.
Probably got to know some of my family on the voyage :D
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Have got quite a bit on the ship and voyage somewhere
First time I found a ship that bought ancestors over,
so I read heaps in the Ak library, all those years ago.
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hi m2 zephyr.
thank you for your reply. i am trying to trace ore family members in new zealand, i have been doing this part of the family for about 4 months now. i have photogarphs of rosebrae homestead, the estate agent in papakura sent me them by email. which part of the family are you connected to?
i am connected to mary through my grandfathers family.she was my 2x great grandfathers sister.
i see it is a big family there and it goes the same here, the family lived in a few places in scotland. mainly elgin morayshire. i have been in contact with 2 family . the mcgill and rhind family. hope to here from you again.
kindest regards...........jean............... :)
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Well you should be right if you been in touch with the McGills and Rhinds, :)
Marys daughter Mary married one of my family, they all came over on the Viola.
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hi mc2 zephyr.
thanks for your reply, i got an email from a warren rhind, his father was and i believe his father was the grandson of mary and james rhind. also the other person to contact me was bea mcgill she was married to one of angus mcgills sons. gordon mcgill, so this would make him the great grandson of mary and james. all i have for mary s daughter mary is she was born in elgin 1853, i have no dates after this so dont no who she married. my grandfaher never told us about the family except that my nan and he went to scotland a lot to visit his family. we knew about the ones who emigrated to canada,there is still family there and still trying to find them.
mysister and i are doing this winchester tree and she as left me to do this part while she does the other upto now we are up to our 9xgreat grandfather of winchester.
if you can give me some information on your family it will be greatly appreciated you can email me ,i will let my sister know as soon as she emails me as she lives in holland and i live kingston-upon-hull. east yorkshire. thanks again for your reply.
kindest regards........jean............
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hi khp.
thank you for your reply to the message. i would be most grateful if you can send me a photo of where mary is buried. as i live in england in east yorkshire. so i am quite a long way from you.
i also now have found a family member which is great, as for mary i had hit a brick wall searching but through your help and the others i found a bit more. will have to look for the other family members in new zealand. greatly appreciate all the help.
kindest regards........jean........
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This is a message for mk2-zephyr.. I saw online you had a thread concerning queenshill mansion at ringford. I live very near the former site, and my house looks onto Neilson's monument, About 6 months ago I found a picture of Queenshill Mansion my Dad had found in a Library book before he died. It is very hard to find any pictures of Queenshill and of another local building Lochenbreck Spa. If you still require a photo or any other information, please contact me at (*) as i'm not too hot at forums etc. Thanks
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Thanks Psycho ...
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A brief ...
Mary RHIND (1852-1918) married William NEALIE in 1870
Children: William, James, Thomas, Martha, John, Alfred, Elizabeth, Charles, Ernest, Ethel.
Sorry I can’t give any more details till I have contacted all the appropriate branches.
James RHIND (1854- ? )
William Fraser RHIND (1856-1857)
Agnes Fraser RHIND (1856-1857)
Elizabeth RHIND (1858- 1936) married John McGILL in 1873
Mary (1875), Elizabeth (1877), Archibald (1878), James Rhind (1880), plus maybe 4-5 more ….
Johanna RHIND (1860- ?) married Alexander ANGUS in 1878
William RHIND (1866-1937) married ?
Annie Angus RHIND (1870-1956) married Henry LEVER in 1892.
1892 William James, 1894 Robert, 1897 Edward, 1901 Iris Alexandrina, 1903 Percy Herald
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1861 census, Inverness
James Rhind head 30 Buglar of the 7th foot Militia Glasgow
Mary Rhind wife 30 Elgin
Mary Rhind dau 8 Elgin
James Rhind son 6 Elgin
Elizabeth Rhind dau 2 Inverness
Ann Rhind dau 4 m Inverness
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Hi Jean :D,
Visited the cemetery today and located your Rhinds, incidentally they are close to my ggrandparents and extended family. They are facing east so get the sun in early morning. Buried on what is known as the " Hill" where mainly all the Presbyterian early settlers are.
Unfortunately there is no tombstone :( I did take photos of their resting place for you, so if you PM me your email address I will send them on to you.
Cheers
KHP :D
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hi mc2zephyr.
thank you for your reply, i will email my sister and let her know what information you have sent me. as she tried to read what army james rhind was in, barbara knew about him being a buglar and 7th foot but not the regiment as she couldnt understand the writing.
i do hope the whole family do not mind us asking questions about the family, since doing this we have found out more than we expected on all the families. as you may see we are trying to find info on our 2x greatcousin who lived in alberta canada, he was my grand fathers nephew. i am greatfull for any help you can give me, do you know of the wade and cronin families as i know they married into the rhind families as well? if you want any info on this side of the winchester family will gladly send you it.
time i went to bed now as up early in the morning.bye for now.
kindest regards........jean........
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hi mk.2,zephyr.
i have been in touch with (*) but he cannot give me much information on his family, his father was albert george edward rhind b, 1928. making him the great grandson of mary ann winchester and james rhind, i was wondering if you can help me with the following, i have william rhind b,1866 married louisa harvey 1883 in dunedin otago, i did find out from warren that his aunt is still alive her name is mary rhind and lives in auckland, no date of birth though. did wwilliam marry louisa do you know, and do you know of any family members that may have any pictures of mary, james and of the family, that could be emailed to us as we have no pictures of mary or the family, and would love to put some in our family tree album, i greatly appreciate any help with this and do hope your family will not mind me asking. thanks for reading my message,
my kindest regards.................jean................... :)
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James Rhind was born in 1830 near Glasgow but was baptised in Moray where his father was born. His parents were William Rhind and Mary Whitelaw, married in 1830. William's parents were James Rhind, a mason, and Elspet Sandison (the only evidence of this that I can find is via the marriage of Jane Rhind who was sister of of William)
James was brought up in Moray. I think he was staying with his aunt Jane Findlay in Dallas, in 1841 census, working as a farm labourer. In 1851 census, he was a farm labourer in parish of New Spynie, working as a farm labourer. He married Mary Winchester in November 1851.
Mary's parents were Thomas Winchester and Agnes McKenzie. Interestingly, James' sister, Mary Rhind, aged 15, was a farm servant to the family. She later married a Robert Squair.
James and Mary left Scotland, from Glasgow to Auckland on The Viola in 1864 with their children, Mary, James, Elizabeth and Johanna.
Possibly his uncle (but haven't proved this yet though James' brother, William stayed with them in 1851 census but marked as son, but also boarder...also ages don't tally as father/son) Alexander Rhind and Isobel Sellar left for Lyttleton, NZ in 1960. Theeir children were William, an infant, not Wm above, James, Elizabeth, Margaret and Alexander. They settled in Christchurch, Canterbury, NZ.
Another uncle (I think), John Rhind and wife, Elspet McKnockiter left Glasgow for Bluff, NZ in 1863 with their children, Margaret, James, George, Ann, William, Alexander, David and Jane. Think they settled in Invercargill, NZ