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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: Bonny jean on Monday 15 March 10 14:59 GMT (UK)
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Can someone pleaseeeee help, I sent to London for this and all I got was an image that I can't make out, the death was only in 1952 ??? I don't understand this. ::)
Thank you.
(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k104/Bonny_012/FAMILY%20TREE%20STUFF/img624.jpg)
(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k104/Bonny_012/FAMILY%20TREE%20STUFF/img624-1.jpg)
(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k104/Bonny_012/FAMILY%20TREE%20STUFF/img624-2.jpg)
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cause of death was "haemorrage from oesophageal varices,cirrhosis of liver,excessive alcoholism.
Scarring (cirrhosis) of the liver is the most common cause of esophageal varices. This scarring prevents blood from flowing through the liver. As a result, more blood flows through the veins of the esophagus.
This extra blood flow causes the veins in the esophagus to balloon outward. If these veins break open (rupture), they can cause severe bleeding.
Any cause of chronic liver disease can cause varices.
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The top extract says
25th October 1952.
Whittington Hospital.
Archway Wing.
Archway Road.
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the bottom reads
certificate recieved from wb purchase? coroner for county of london inquest held 25th oct 1952.
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I can only read bits of it
1st box twenty fifth October 1952 Whiltington (?) ? Looks like it says archway wing archway road
2nd box is hard ? from ? varices currosis of liver excessive alcholism
3rd box certificate recieved from W B Pu? coroner for county of London ? ? 25th October 1952
Hope that helps a little
Sarah
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certificate recieved from wb purchase?
I also read the name as Purchase.
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W.B. Purchase, who was the coroner for the Northern District of the County of London,
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I read it as
top box (will be where death ocurred)
"Twentyfifth October 1952
Whittington Hospital
Archway Wing
Archway Road"
Middle box
"Haemorrhage from oesophageal varices
Cirrhosis of liver
Excessive alcoholism"
Bottom box
"Certificate received from W.B. Purchase
Coroner for County of London
inquest held
25th Oct 1952"
Suz
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Thank you all very very much, xx does anyone know why it was an old image like that and not a proper Certificate ??? like it said it was 1952, this is so sad, no family names on it or home address :'(
I believe this is the hospital then,
Whittington Hospital,
Archway Wing,
Archway Road,
Holloway, Greater London
Again thank you. xx
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What bits are missing?
Ken
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This will tell you what info was on a death cert http://home.clara.net/dixons/Certificates/deaths.htm
Before 1969 dates and places of birth were not shown.
Carol
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What bits are missing?
Ken
Sorry this is all so confuesing and upsetting, I can't say to much at this moment in time, I thought there might have been an address of where this person was before going into hospital, but it was only an old address that we know of (not London), so maybe he was homeless in London ?? we don't know when this person went there either ?? or what happened to him after he died.
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In 1952 you won't neccesarily get someone's usual address.
The cert tells you " where and when they died",which of course could be at home,or could easily have been in a hospital.
It then asks who the informant of the death was,again you may get a spouse and therefore the home address,but it's likely that if the death was in hospital that the informant may have been a hospital worker.
And of course don't forget that a death cert is only as good as the informants knowledge of that person,which may be no knowledge of them prior to their illness at all.
Carol
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Hi,
The Inquest or a newspaper report of it may have more details such as a home address.
Have you checked to see if the LMA holds the Coroner's report?
Nanny Jan
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And of course don't forget that a death cert is only as good as the informants knowledge of that person,which may be no knowledge of them prior to their illness at all.
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Yes I believe that was the case.
Thank you carol8353
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Hi,
The Inquest or a newspaper report of it may have more details such as a home address.
Have you checked to see if the LMA holds the Coroner's report? Nanny Jan
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Hi Nanny jean,
I don't know how to go about this, and sorry I don't know what LMA is either. ??
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Hi,
LMA = London Metropolitan Archives Email: ask.lmaATcityoflondon.gov.uk (replace AT with @)
I found a Coroners Report from 1902 (my gt. uncle) there; fascinating to read but one, from another area of London, (1914) had not survived.
Good Luck!
Nanny Jan
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Nanny Jan
I wonder if a 1952 coroners report would be available to view though,or subject to a 70 year privacy rule?
No harm in asking the LMA though ;)
Carol
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Ooops.....so used to looking for the really old ones! :-[
Local newspapers might be the way to go then.
Nanny Jan
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Agree with above interpretations of the certificate.
Yes these 'bits of paper' with blunt medical facts can seem very cold and impersonal and feel upsetting to receive, especially when one's hopes are raised for a 'lead' to address or kin.
However if it is any comfort you cannot read anything in to the absence of any family details on the certificate in case of sudden death or hospital death is concerned. Though the circumstances do sound sad.
Providing the certificate speedilyafter cause of death is established (by pathologist) is all part of the due legal process and duty of hospital staff and and in fact issue by the coroner of the certificate allows release to the family for usual arrangements to occur...
Chris
(Photocopies of handwriting on certs can look 'messy'and 'dotty' can't they....)