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Title: Cooke of B'ham,Measham, Burton, Derby & Dublin
Post by: kenneth cooke on Monday 15 March 10 10:04 GMT (UK)
Hi,
I’m looking for information about George Alfred Cooke (sometimes George, sometimes Alfred) and Emma Louisa his wife and second cousin, nee Cooke (also used either name). (He was the son of William Bromley Cooke b. B'ham 1810, d.1865 Derby).
In 1881 living at 102 Wheeler St. Aston, B'ham children Alfred 16,Julia 10, Jenny 5, Mary 7, Samuel Oliver 2, and baby George A.  Before that in Dublin.
In 1891 living Aston Manor, St Silas, and in 1901 Brunswick Rd West Bromwich.
Julia mar. Henry Hastings (Harry) Bird, a trade union official, but I can’t find what happened to the rest.
George & Emma’s families were from B’ham originally, but they moved around a bit. George was born in Measham, then they moved to Burton/Trent, then Derby. George & 2 brothers went to Dublin 1850s, he brought Emma there, where Alfred & Julia were born, the rest in B’ham.
I’m sure their descendants must still be there. All tips appreciated.
Ken Cooke, Australia.
Title: Re: Cooke of B'ham,Measham, Burton, Derby & Dublin
Post by: tressle on Monday 15 March 10 13:44 GMT (UK)
Looks like Jenny Isabella Cooke married in 1901, Q3 West Bromwich district - to either Charles Hibbert Jones or Albert Alfred Martin.

Tressle
Title: Re: Cooke of B'ham,Measham, Burton, Derby & Dublin
Post by: kenneth cooke on Monday 15 March 10 17:22 GMT (UK)
Thanks Tressle,
She was at home for the Census on 31.3.1901 and was listed as Jenny I.
age 25. I'll send off and get the cert.
Thanks again,
Ken
Title: Re: Cooke of B'ham,Measham, Burton, Derby & Dublin
Post by: kenneth cooke on Wednesday 17 March 10 03:13 GMT (UK)
Family of Geo Alfred & Emma Louisa Cooke B'ham- C1881 in Aston-
Baby Geo A. turns out to be George Arthur, Reg J-March 1881;
Samuel Oliver married J-Sep 1908 W Bromwich ? Harriett Garbett or Edith Dora Stevenson;
Either of these sound familiar ?
Ken

Title: Re: Cooke of B'ham,Measham, Burton, Derby & Dublin
Post by: kenneth cooke on Wednesday 17 March 10 23:43 GMT (UK)
George Alfred b.1840 was the fourth son of William Bromley Cooke of B'ham, Burton & Derby (d.1865).
George and two older brothers lived in Dublin from late 1850s to early 1870s.
The others were Wm Bromley jnr & Thomas Smith Cooke. They married two sisters named Sweny at a double wedding in 1859. George and William returned to England, and Thomas brought his family to Melbourne in 1871.
Now I've just discovered that the third brother, Robert Choyce Cooke b.1838,was also in Ireland, probably after the others had left. He had married Ann Cart in Derby in 1862, and in Dublin he remarried in 1878.
Another Robt Choyce Cooke was the father of Mary, whose birth was reg. in Nottingham in 1910, mother Priscilla.
Ken
Title: Re: Cooke of B'ham,Measham, Burton, Derby & Dublin
Post by: kenneth cooke on Friday 19 March 10 00:25 GMT (UK)
The earliest Cooke ancestors I have found are Samuel Cooke, farmer and Ann
Bromley, who married in 1765 at Manchester Cathedral, both 'of this parish' and both signed.
The children I have found are:
Thomas 1769, John 1774, Mary 1775 and William 1777.
I am descended from William through his son Wm Bromley Cooke 1810-1867 who mar 1830 Anna Maria Smith from Appleby.
The only other one I have traced is Thomas, 1769, who mar.Mary (?Sanders)
and two sons are noted:
Mark Thomas b.1814  and Thomas 1815, both born B'ham.
Mark mar.1838 Mary Keeling and their children were:
Mary 1839, Julia Eliz 40, Emma Louisa 1842, Wm Thos 1844, John Mark 1845, Oliver 1847, Mary Jane bapt 1853.
Emma Louisa mar her 2nd cousin and Mary Jane mar abt 1869 Wm Davis.
Thomas mar Jane 1838, children: Emma 1840 mar Samuel Evans, Thos John 1842, John 45 & Alfred 1850
Ken
Title: Re: Cooke of B'ham,Measham, Burton, Derby & Dublin
Post by: kenneth cooke on Thursday 25 March 10 05:44 GMT (UK)
Robert Choyce Cooke (?jnr) married Priscilla Bradley in Nottingham in 1908.
Their daughter Mary was born on 21.3.1909 at 13 Castle St. Nott'ham.
Hoping they'll be in the 1911 Census, but I don't think it will tell us much more.
Ken
Title: Re: Cooke of B'ham,Measham, Burton, Derby & Dublin
Post by: kenneth cooke on Tuesday 30 March 10 00:14 BST (UK)
Seems that all five Cooke brothers were in Ireland.

On 21.10.1878 at St John's Sandymount, Robert Choyce Cooke, widower, married Eliza Jane Evans, both of 29 ?Seaford Av Sandymount. He was a grocer's assistant, son of Wm Bromley Cooke, Tape Mfr, and her father was John Evans, Porter in Trinity College, Dublin.
Both signed, and witnesses were Arthur P Cooke and Isabella Evans.

Arthur Patrick was the youngest Cooke brother, born 1850, and was with his parents &  Robert in Derby in the Census of 1861.

Robert & Eliza must be the parents of Robert C. jnr, who married in Nottingham in 1909.
Ken
Title: Re: Cooke of B'ham,Measham, Burton, Derby & Dublin
Post by: kenneth cooke on Tuesday 30 March 10 05:30 BST (UK)
Re my Reply No 7, that should be Seafort Ave.
I have now found Robert & Eliza's fate.
Robert died and was reg. Dublin Nth in 2nd Qtr of 1908, aged 70. He was born in 1838.
In the census of 1911 we find  Eliza Jane Cooke in York St (part of) suburb of Mansion House, Dublin, Head,  age 60, widow, Baptist, read & write, 30 yrs married, 9 children, 2 living. (They married in 1878 and he died in 1908.)
We know one son was Robert Choyce Cooke jnr. but he was in England where he married in 1909. He's the one I have to chase up.
Ken
Title: Re: Cooke of B'ham,Measham, Burton, Derby & Dublin
Post by: kenneth cooke on Tuesday 30 March 10 05:35 BST (UK)
Eliza Jane Cooke died and was reg. 4th Qtr 1937 Dublin Sth. Age 87 (b.1850).
This ties in with her age in the 1911 census.
Ken
Title: Re: Cooke of B'ham,Measham, Burton, Derby & Dublin
Post by: tressle on Tuesday 30 March 10 12:15 BST (UK)
Hi Ken

I am not related to these families I know, but I have been finding following your research very interesting. 

Tressle

Title: Re: Cooke of B'ham,Measham, Burton, Derby & Dublin
Post by: kenneth cooke on Wednesday 31 March 10 02:08 BST (UK)
Thanks Tressle, that's very encouraging.
I should give a few background notes about William Bromley Cooke, father of the five Cooke brothers who appeared in Dublin.
William Cooke, born Birmingham 1810, added Bromley later. Went to Measham about 1826 to work as a clerk in the tape mills.
Married Anna Maria Smith in 1830, in Birmingham, returned to Measham.
About 1835 the tape mills went bankrupt. William made and sold smallwares (woven borders, braid, bindings etc.) at home.
In late 1841 the Cookes moved to Burton-upon-Trent, where William leased two mills at Repton Road, Winshill, 2 km. from Burton, where he made and sold smallwares. The lease was dated 11.10.1841 and the lessor was Lord Paget.
In early 1840s William had a fine house built, Trent Cottage on Newton (or Repton) Road. (The house was later converted into sheltered accommodation for the elderly and in 1969 was renamed ‘Abbeyfield House’-view on internet.)
In 1846 William employed over 250 people.
In 1848 he was declared bankrupt, and with his family moved away from Burton.
In 1850 they were in Manchester where the youngest child, Arthur Patrick was born. Wm. was a commercial traveller. There is no sign of any of them in the 1851 census.
A few years later, the eldest son, William, appears in Dublin.
Ken

Title: Re: Cooke of B'ham,Measham, Burton, Derby & Dublin
Post by: kenneth cooke on Monday 12 April 10 02:20 BST (UK)
In the previous post, I wrote:  There is no sign of any of the Cookes in the 1851 census in England, and that, a few years later, the eldest son, William, appears in Dublin.
This is based on an entry in Thom’s Dublin Directory of 1852: Cooke, William B, Commission Agent of Tolka Lodge, Cabra.
William jnr. was 19-20 years old and Thomas would have been only 15.
But perhaps this was William Bromley snr. who would have been there with his family, which would explain why we could not find them in England.
Ken

 


Title: Re: Cooke of B'ham,Measham, Burton, Derby & Dublin
Post by: tressle on Monday 12 April 10 12:38 BST (UK)
Hi Ken

I have been looking at the announcements of William Bromley Cookes (Tape Manufacturer) bankruptcy notices from about 1847.

Regarding Robert Choyce Cooke I found the following.

Derbyshire paper dated April 22nd 1868

Robert Choyce Cooke of Cotton Lane, Litchurch, Light Porter, previously of Gerard Street Derby thence a grocer, baker, provision dealer and tea hawker .....bankrupts last application and examination for discharge....No creditor opposed. Debts of £154, 1s and 3d. plus credits of no value amount to £52, 19s and 8d ..  the examination was passed and an immediate order of discharge was issued.

............This is based on an entry in Thom’s Dublin Directory of 1852: Cooke, William B, Commission Agent of Tolka Lodge, Cabra...........This is just an interesting aside as William Cooke may not live at Tolka Lodge by 1859 and I don't know what sort of building it was but the Dublin newspaper of 1859 has a small article on a burglary.  The occupant of Tolka Lodge (unamed) heard the sound of breaking glass and upon investigation found a man escaping through a broken pane with some stolen clothes.  He apprehended him.

UPDATE - could possibly be a J W Bailey by this time.

Tressle



Title: Re: Cooke of B'ham,Measham, Burton, Derby & Dublin
Post by: kenneth cooke on Monday 12 April 10 14:06 BST (UK)
Thanks Trestle,
That's interesting. I don't think the hero of Cabra Lodge in 1858 was one of the Cookes though.
When William & Thomas married two Sweny sisters on 25.1.1859, they both lived at No. 1 Charleston Rd, and gave their father's occupation as 'Agent'.
So if he had still been in Dublin, I guess he would have lived there too.
But I doubt it, as he was not one of the witnesses .
Re Robert's bankruptcy- he was discharged, but he would  have had to repay his debts, and, like his father, start all over again, which would have been very difficult.
Can you tell me the name of the Derbyshire paper ?
Regards,
Ken
Title: Re: Cooke of B'ham,Measham, Burton, Derby & Dublin
Post by: tressle on Monday 12 April 10 14:13 BST (UK)
Hi Ken

Yes, it was the Derby Mercury, two mentions of the Bankruptcy proceedings for Robert Choyce Cooke.

Tressle :)
Title: Re: Cooke of B'ham,Measham, Burton, Derby & Dublin
Post by: kenneth cooke on Tuesday 20 April 10 05:28 BST (UK)
I said earlier that William Bromley Cooke jnr. returned to England with a new wife. It now seems he was only there for a short time, perhaps to marry, and then return to Ireland.
In the 1881 census, he was at 2 Sandstone St West Derby, Liverpool. He was 47, born Measham, Derby and was a coal agent. That was his occupation in Dublin.
His wife was Elizabeth, age 27, born W.Derby L'pool, a laundress.
Also there was James Norman, 13, brother-in-law, born W.Derby.
So we can assume that Eliz's name was Norman, and that they had married recently in Liverpool.
They are not noted in subsequent  UK censuses.
Then in 2nd Q. 1890, Lydia T Cooke married, reg Sth Dublin.
William's eldest child was Lydia Thomasina, born 1865 Dublin.
I'll send off for the Mar. cert. to confirm that they are the same.
Ken
Title: Re: Cooke of B'ham,Measham, Burton, Derby & Dublin
Post by: kenneth cooke on Thursday 15 July 10 02:21 BST (UK)
Re my post 16-
I now have the certificate:
St. Martin’s Dublin 25.6.1890, Lydia T. Cooke, dau. of William B. Cooke married
James Gibb Macnab of Glasgow, railway clerk. Witnesses- Ralph Sweny & Victoria E. Sweny. Ralph was her uncle, and Victoria was Ralph's cousin,
Then, the birth of their son James Cooke Macnab  Reg. St. Rollox, Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland, 29.8.1891,
Then, London Gazette 7.12.1915, The Highland Light Infantry-
To be 2nd. Lieutenant- James Cooke Macnab,
Then, Auction of Military Medals 20.4.2006, Spink & Son Ltd, London-
A Great War 'Western Front' M.C. Group of Four.
Military Cross, G.V.R., reverse neatly engraved 'Second Lieutenant James Cooke Macnab, M.C. 9th (Glasgow Highlanders) Battalion, Highland Light Infantry For Conspicuous Gallantry 27th July 1916', in Royal Mint case of issue; 1914 Star (921 C. Sjt J.C. McNab. 9/High: L.I.); British War and Victory Medals (2. Lieut. J.C. MacNab), extremely fine (4) Estimate £800-900
M.C. London Gazette 27.7.1916 2nd Lt. James Cooke MacNab, 1/9th Bn., High. L.I., T.F. 'For conspicuous gallantry during a raid. He took many prisoners, as ordered, at greater risk than if he had killed his opponents. He repeatedly showed great daring on patrol.'
Lieutenant James Cooke MacNab, M.C.; commissioned Lieutenant 9th Battalion Highland Light Infantry, 1.7.1917
There are more references to him on 'familysearch' which I will look up shortly.
He would have been my father’s second cousin.
Ken
 

Title: Re: Cooke of B'ham,Measham, Burton, Derby & Dublin
Post by: kenneth cooke on Monday 19 July 10 02:05 BST (UK)
Re my Posts 6 to 9-
Five Cooke brothers went to Ireland. The third brother was Robert Choyce Cooke, b. 1838. He married in Derby in 1862, and was present when his father William Bromley Cooke died there in 1867.
His first wife Ann must have died as Robert remarried, to Eliza Jane Evans in Dublin in 1878.
In 1884 twin boys, Robert and William, were born, in Dublin.

In the 1901 Dublin Census, at 30.2 Grenville St. Mountjoy:
Cooke Robert C., 62,  Head,  Prot. Baptist
    “      Eliza         40,  Wife       “       “
    “      Robert      16,  Son        “       “
    “      William     16,    “          “        “

The only one found in the 1911 Dublin Census was Eliza Jane Cooke, Widow, Baptist, 9 children born, 2 living.
Robert died in Dublin in 1908 and Eliza in 1937.

Robert Choyce Cooke (?jnr.) (? one of the twins) married Priscilla Bradley in Nottingham in 1908 and so far I have found two children born there:
1909 Mary Cooke and 1912 Robert C. Cooke.

Title: Re: Cooke of B'ham,Measham, Burton, Derby & Dublin
Post by: kenneth cooke on Saturday 24 July 10 01:25 BST (UK)
Re my Post No. 16- Wm Bromley Cooke jnr.
William was the eldest of the five brothers. I had earlier thought that he had gone to England after the death of his first wife, Thomasina in 1873,remarried, and returned to Dublin where his two (at least) young children were.
It was the other way round. After Thomasina died, he remarried in Dublin, to
Elizabeth Norman from Liverpool, on 6 May 1874. They were in L'pool in 1881 and there is no further sign of them in Ireland. But it seems that Lydia, his first child, stayed in Ireland until she married James Macnab in 1890.
Now I wonder who looked after her when her father moved back to England.
I know the fate of only two of the brothers. Thomas died in Sydney, Australia in 1903. Robert died in Dublin in 1908, and I'm sure that George Alfred stayed in England, but I have not found his death yet.
I suppose that William also stayed in England, but I know little about the youngest, Arthur Patrick. He seems to have been a willing witness at the marriage of others, but I have not found his marriage or death anywhere.
Title: Re: Cooke of B'ham,Measham, Burton, Derby & Dublin
Post by: kenneth cooke on Sunday 25 July 10 02:19 BST (UK)
Re No.19, Wm Bromley Cooke jnr.
I'll post this while it's still fresh.
Marriage of Wm Cooke, clerk of 44 Lwr. Gloster St., son of Wm. Cooke, to Eliz.
Norman, 9 Lwr. Summer Hill, dau of Wm. Norman. Wit. Geo Ross & Patk Murphy.
St. Thomas C of I Dub. 6 May 1874.
Then they were noted in the 1881 Census in Liverpool.
I could not find either of them in later UK census lists. But I found a William Cooke in the 1901 Dublin Census-
Wm. Cooke 62 (Ours was 68), at 116.5 Lower Gloucester St. North Dock, Dub.
C of I., friend of head of household, James Flanagan. He and all the others were R.C.
There was no sign of Elizabeth. What is interesting is that it is the same street where he lived when he married in 1874, but that is not conclusive proof.
Title: Re: Post 19- Arthur Patrick Cooke
Post by: kenneth cooke on Friday 03 December 10 22:11 GMT (UK)
During my recent visit to Dublin, for the Sweny family reunion, I did some research on the Cookes and others.
In Thom’s Dublin Directory, from 1870 -1872, we find Thomas S Cooke, Auctioneer & Valuator, of 32 Ormond Quay, and from 1873 to 1879 we find that Arthur P Cooke had taken over after Thomas had left for Australia, with the same occupation and address.
In fact, Thomas & family had left in 1871, and arrived in Melbourne on Boxing Day that year.
Title: Re: William Bromley Cooke 1832- ?
Post by: kenneth cooke on Saturday 05 March 11 04:54 GMT (UK)
I have found six children born in Dublin to Wm Bromley Cooke & Thomasina Bourne Sweny.
Florence 1860-1875
Anne Marie 1862-1873
Thomas O'Brien 1863-
Lydia Thomasina 1865-1960
Robert Arthur John 1867-
Wm Bromley b/d 1869

Anna Maria (Smith) was William's mother's name. Robert and Arthur were William’s brothers’ names, and his father-in-law was John Sweny.
Thomasina’s aunt, Eliza Sweny, had married Thomas O’Brien. She also had an aunt and a sister named Lydia.
After William remarried in 1874, he moved to Liverpool with his new wife. It seems he left his first family in Dublin, perhaps four of them, Florence, Thomas, Lydia and Robert. Florence died in 1875.
There is no evidence that William returned to Dublin after that.
Title: Arthur Patrick Cooke
Post by: kenneth cooke on Thursday 14 April 11 01:16 BST (UK)
Re Post 21-
We find Arthur, his mother and Irish wife living in Birmingham in the 1881 Census:
Victoria Cottage, Farm St. Birmingham:
Arthur Cook, Mar. 30, bookkeeper at Art Metal Works b. Humbleton, Lancs.
Lizzie    “      Wife 28,  b. Ireland
Anna Maria “  Mother, Widow  71, b. Appleby, Leics.
There is a place called Hambleton near Blackpool, but Arthur was born at Hulme, Manchester.
His mother’s details confirm his identity.
In the 1891 Census B’ham: Lizzie Cooke, 38, boarder, widow, warehouse woman, b. Ireland.
Title: Nottinghamshire
Post by: kenneth cooke on Thursday 21 April 11 00:05 BST (UK)
Re Post 18 Robert C. Cooke b. 1912
Robert Choyce Cooke, (the 3rd generation with that name), died in Nov. 1992, 80 years old, registered at Mansfield, Notts.
I am trying to find any relatives that still live in Nott'shire.
Ken Cooke

Title: Re: Jennie Isabella Cooke of B'ham.
Post by: kenneth cooke on Saturday 28 May 11 04:44 BST (UK)
Re Tressle's reply, Post No. 1- Hope you are still following us.

Jennie Isabella Cooke married Albert Alfred Martin in 3rd qtr. 1901.

In 1911 Census, Handsworth, W. Bromwich, Staffs:
Albert Martin, 34, Head,  Mar., Tool Maker, b. B'ham
Beatrice  "      25, sister,  b. B'ham
Dorothy 6, & Gracie 2 yrs. daughters, b. Handsworth

Albert was listed as married, not widowed. His wife was listed in a nearby institution:
Jennie Isabella Martin, 35, Mar., Patient, b. Aston, Warwickshire

I presume that she got well and came home again. She lived until 1952:
Death- Jennie I. Martin,  B'ham, Warw. 1952


Title: Re: Cooke of B'ham,Measham, Burton, Derby & Dublin
Post by: kenneth cooke on Saturday 19 April 14 03:13 BST (UK)
                                      Samuel Cooke

Samuel Cooke  mar. 1765  Ann Bromley
    ______________l_____________
Thomas       John      Mary      William m.1809 Mary ?Cook
___l_____________                          l
Mark Thos.   Thomas             Wm Bromley m.1830 Anna M Smith
       l                                                        l                                                           
Emma Louisa                     Wm B., Thos Smith,   Robt Choyce,  Geo Alfred,  Margt,  Arthur Patk.
                                                         m.1859 Margt Sweny


Samuel Cooke was born about 1740. He gave his occupation as ‘farmer’ when, in 1765 he married Ann Bromley at the Anglican Cathedral, Manchester. We do not know whether he owned the farm, rented it, or was in fact an agricultural labourer.
The first recorded birth to Samuel and Ann was Thomas, baptised at Manchester Cathedral in 1769. When the second child, John was baptised in 1771, Samuel was noted as a ‘breeches maker’. He had obviously left farming, and most likely worked in, or managed, a clothing factory in Manchester. Later, I believe the whole family, seeking to improve their prospects, moved down to Birmingham and settled in the parish of St. Martin’s.

Samuel is not verified as our earliest Cooke ancestor, but the next generation is. My Gr Gr Gr grandfather from Birmingham was a William Cooke, who I believe married a Mary Cook in 1809.
We can trace the family forward from them, but we cannot be sure of William’s parents’ names.
The main clue we have is the middle name of William’s son, William Bromley Cooke, 1809-1867.
I looked for a Cooke/Bromley marriage in England for the period 1740-1810, and found only one,
a Samuel  Cooke and Ann Bromley, who married on 26.12.1765, at Manchester Anglican Cathedral
of St. Mary, St. Denis & St. George. Both signed the register. The marriage and subsequent births were recorded in the cathedral parish.
Five children of Samuel and Ann Cooke were baptised at Manchester Cathedral:
Thomas 18.6.1769,  John 26.5.1771,  John 10.4.1774,  Mary 19.11.1775,  and William,
on 24.2.1777. Apart from their baptism details, nothing more is known about John and Mary.

When Samuel and Ann married, England was changing from an agricultural society to an industrial one, and in the process many tenant farmers and labourers were forced to leave the land and find work elsewhere. Samuel worked on a farm in 1765, then in a factory in 1771, and some time after 1777, the Cookes moved down from Manchester to Birmingham in search of work in the factories there, and settled in the parish of St. Martin’s.
The Cookes of Birmingham who are verified include the brothers Thomas and William (father of Wm Bromley Cooke). They would fit in as sons of Samuel and Ann. 
William appears to have married a Mary Cook on 24.1.1809. Their son William was born on 15.10.1809 and baptised on 2.1.1810 at St. Phillip’s Cathedral. I believe that he later took the surname of his grandmother, Ann Bromley, as his middle name.
Thomas, a ‘button maker’, married Mary Sanders at St. Martin’s Birmingham in 1810, and the only child whose baptism record I have found is Mark Thomas, on 17.9.1814 at St. Martin’s.
(But Mark had a brother, Thomas jnr.  I found him in the 1881 Census list, 65 years old, born about 1815/16.  He must be Mark’s brother, because, living  with him, listed as his ‘nephew’, was Mark’s son William.)
 
Samuel Cooke       mar.1765     Ann Bromley
_____________________l__________________
Thomas            John        Mary        William
m.Mary Sanders                              m. ? Mary Cook   
_l__________________                        l
MarkThos.     Thomas jnr              Wm Bromley Cooke
_l_______________                              l
Wm.    EmmaLouisa, mar.1863......George Alfred

So Mark Thomas and William Bromley were probably cousins. The strongest indication of a connection between them is the following: 
In the 1860s, William Bromley’s son, George Alfred was living in Dublin, and Mark Thomas from Birmingham was temporarily working in London. In 1861 he was alone, but in 1863 he brought his two eldest daughters to London too, for a special occasion.   
George also travelled across to London for that occasion- his own wedding. He married Mark’s daughter, Emma Louisa, and took her back to Dublin. How would they have known each other, one from Dublin and the other from Birmingham, if they were not related ?
I believe they were second cousins. One of their sons was Samuel Oliver, and Mark’s brother Thomas had a grandson, Samuel Charles. It is possible that the boys were named after their great-great grandfather, Samuel Cooke from Manchester.
Title: Re: Cooke of B'ham,Measham, Burton, Derby & Dublin
Post by: kenneth cooke on Wednesday 23 April 14 00:55 BST (UK)
The problem is to ascertain whether the Cookes I have found in Manchester are the same family as the ones who later appear in Birmingham. The following BDM records from Birmingham are relevant:

At St. Martin’s:
Baptism of Edward Cooke, 27.10.1800, mother Mary Cooke
Marriage of William Cooke, bachelor and Mary Cook, widow 24.1.1809, witnesses Eliz. Bromley & Thos. Packwood.
Marriage of Thomas Cooke, bachelor, button maker and Mary Sanders, spinster 1810
Baptism of their son, Mark Thomas Cooke 17.9.1814
Burial of Samuel Cooke of Shutt Lane, 13.12.1830, 86 years old (b.1744).

And at St.Phillip’s:
Baptism of William Cook, 2.1.1810, born 15 October 1809 to William and Mary Cook
(I believe the child was Wm. Bromley Cooke)
 
We know that William Bromley Cooke’s father’s name was William. The time of the marriage of
William and Mary fits in with the birth of Wm Bromley. The marriage entry is from St. Martin’s parish, and William’s baptism was at St. Phillip’s. This is consistent with the usual practice of marrying in the bride’s parish, and returning to live in the husband’s parish, where he had his livelihood.
The name of one witness was Bromley, which indicates that our Birmingham Cookes were most
likely the same as the ones from Manchester, offspring of Samuel Cooke and Ann Bromley.
I would guess that Elizabeth Bromley was a cousin of the groom, William Cooke.

On the baptism entry for Edward Cooke, his mother’s status is not given. When William and Mary married in 1809, Mary was a widow. One of the witnesses at William jnr’s marriage in 1830 was an Edward Cooke. I believe that he was the same Edward, baptised in 1800, and that his mother had remarried, to William Cooke. (She could have been the widow of William’s brother John, who has not been accounted for, so far.) So Edward, the witness in 1830, would have been William Bromley’s half-brother. 
There was a Samuel, who was buried at St. Martin’s in 1830, 86 years old (b.1744), who would fit in as the father of Thomas, John and William. He would be our earliest known Cooke ancestor.
Title: Re: Cooke of B'ham,Measham, Burton, Derby & Dublin
Post by: kenneth cooke on Wednesday 04 March 15 23:01 GMT (UK)
The Cookes seem to have 'slipped through the net' and were not noted in the 1851 Census. I had assumed that they were in Ireland, where William Bromley Cooke was noted in the Trade directory of 1852. There were two WBC's, father and son, but it now appears that it referred to William junior.
When Arthur was born in Manchester in 1850, it was registered by his mother, Anna Maria, and the father was a commercial traveller. Then they are not in the Census until 1861, in Derby.

But in the minutes of the Celtic Lodge (Freemasons) No.291 of Edinburgh and Leith, Scotland, we find, dated 16 August 1852:
“Mr. William Bromley Cooke, a commercial traveller, was entered apprentice”

So, I have to conclude that only the five sons went to Ireland at various times, but eventually they all left Ireland for good.

 
Title: Re: W.B. Cooke in Ireland ?
Post by: kenneth cooke on Saturday 07 March 15 04:49 GMT (UK)
Did he or did he not go to Ireland?
One should never stop searching the internet, as new things are appearing all the time. In the last few days I have discovered three items about my Gr Gr g'father Wm Bromley Cooke senior.
The first appears in the previous post. The second is the actual wording of the death notice which his sons in Dublin inserted. "Cooke- May 25 at Derby, England, late of Dublin, Wm Bromley Cooke, sen., after a short illness, aged 57." From Cork Examiner, 6.6.1867.
The third is a resume of a case at the Court of Chancery, Warwickshire, 1846 Cooke v. Cooke
Plaintiff Wm Bromley Cooke, Defendant Elizabeth Cooke, from National Archives. No further details, so far.
He would be declared bankrupt (2nd time) in July 1847, so he needed money. The only Elizabeth Cooke I know of is the one, who with an Edward Cooke, was a witness at WBC's marriage in 1830.
I believe that Edward was William's half-brother, and that Elizabeth was either Edward's wife or sister.
 
Title: Re: Cooke of B'ham,Measham, Burton, Derby & Dublin
Post by: Beck18 on Friday 28 July 17 01:54 BST (UK)
Hi Kenneth
                  I'm fascinated at your research! I'm also related to the same lines (Cooke family as you)! I was just wondering do you happen to know the names of Samuel Cooke's parents as well as his wife Ann's parents names? I have search but can't find anything at all just wondering if you have come up with anything in your searches?

Many Thanks
Beck Harvey formerly Cooke!
Title: Re: Cooke of B'ham,Measham, Burton, Derby & Dublin
Post by: kenneth cooke on Friday 28 July 17 02:28 BST (UK)
Hi Beck,
I thought you must be descended from one of the Cookes who stayed in England.
Of course I remember Clydie Cooke and his brother Jack. I last saw Jack at my father's
funeral in Dec. 1986. He was Harry Cooke, Arthur's youngest brother.
Don't expect to find much about Samuel Cooke & Ann Bromley though.
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Cheers, Ken

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