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Title: St. Pauls Church, Milton Regis
Post by: jibba on Sunday 14 March 10 13:07 GMT (UK)
Hi all

I'm trying to find a photograph of St. Paul's Church, which use to be in Milton Regis. It was built in 1862 and demolished in the 1950's due to flooding from nearby Kingsmill pond.

The only images I have so far are of my grandparents standing outside the main door, and a photo in John Clancy's book, Sittingbourne & Milton Regis Past and Present, which only shows a distance shot of the church from across the pond.

Sittingbourne Library did not have a photo of it the last time I was there, nor does the Sittingbourne Heritage website have any.

If anyone has a photo of this church, I would be really gratefull to receive a copy

Regards

Lee
Title: Re: St. Pauls Church, Milton Regis
Post by: grandarog on Sunday 14 March 10 15:06 GMT (UK)
Hi Lee, :)
           No photos of St Pauls on this link but a wealth of info about Milton Regis on my friends Website.
         http://www.thisismiltonregis.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
               In case you dont have it already.
                             Regards Roger :D ;D
Title: Re: St. Pauls Church, Milton Regis
Post by: bearkat on Sunday 14 March 10 16:36 GMT (UK)
This one's not brilliant   :-\

http://www.hrgs.co.uk/acatalog/info_1124.html
Title: Re: St. Pauls Church, Milton Regis
Post by: jibba on Sunday 14 March 10 17:28 GMT (UK)
Hi bearkat

Thanks for posting that photo. Its unfortunately the same one from John Clancy's book :(

Given how many Church's there were in Sittingbourne and Milton, I find it very odd that it is hard to find a photo of this church, especially since it was one of the eldest and initially St.Paul was designed to replace the Holy Trinity church in Milton

Regards

Lee
Title: Re: St. Pauls Church, Milton Regis
Post by: davidft on Sunday 14 March 10 17:43 GMT (UK)
I see from the link that the land of the Congregational Church was built on after a mass reburial of the bodies in its churchyard. Does anyone know if there is a list of the names of those reburied or where the original list of burials in the Congregation Church are (they weren't with the cemeteries officer at Sittingbourne when I went there last year)

thank you
Title: Re: St. Pauls Church, Milton Regis
Post by: jibba on Sunday 14 March 10 17:55 GMT (UK)
hi there

I believe the original registers for the Paradise chapel, along with St.Paul's, are now at the Centre for Kentish Studies, over at Maidstone. I don't believe KCC took a list of the bodies removed to Bell road cemetery. The Centre Kentish Studies should be able to confirm this

Regards

Lee
Title: Re: St. Pauls Church, Milton Regis
Post by: davidft on Sunday 14 March 10 18:07 GMT (UK)
Thank you Lee I shall give them a try to see if I can find my missing relies there.

I take it the Paradise Chapel and the Congregational Church are one and the same
Title: Re: St. Pauls Church, Milton Regis
Post by: jibba on Sunday 14 March 10 18:27 GMT (UK)
Hi David

Yes, their the same. It was original known as the Paradise chapel when the first chapel was built in 1790, and later the Congregational when the new parts were added in 1860

Lee
Title: Re: St. Pauls Church, Milton Regis
Post by: davidft on Sunday 14 March 10 18:54 GMT (UK)
Hi Lee,

Thank you. I have pinged a couple of emails so hopefully I may make progress on where my William and Elizabeth ended up.

much appreciated

David
Title: Re: St. Pauls Church, Milton Regis
Post by: grandarog on Sunday 14 March 10 21:42 GMT (UK)
Hi Davidft,
                Ref the reburial list for Congrgational Church Bodies. The complete list was published at the time in the local paper East Kent Gazette. The Sittingbourne library has the archive copies and will do a look up for you for a pretty please. I think I have seen a transcription of the list on file there as well.
                                         Regards Rog.
Title: Re: St. Pauls Church, Milton Regis
Post by: davidft on Monday 15 March 10 14:56 GMT (UK)
thank you Rog,

I will make a note of that so that if my emails come to no avail I know where to go next

David
Title: Re: St. Pauls Church, Milton Regis
Post by: shaneooo on Monday 15 March 10 21:38 GMT (UK)
Hi, there is a photo on the milton site that grandarog posted of the congregational church posted under now and then section, just in case you missed it.
shane.
Title: Re: St. Pauls Church, Milton Regis
Post by: shaneooo on Monday 15 March 10 21:48 GMT (UK)
http://www.hrgs.co.uk/acatalog/Churches.html
bottom of this page has a photo of st pauls, its a bit fuzzy but not bad.
shane.
Title: Re: St. Pauls Church, Milton Regis
Post by: grandarog on Tuesday 16 March 10 11:51 GMT (UK)
Here an old Ramell postcard of the church about 1905 ish
Title: Re: St. Pauls Church, Milton Regis
Post by: bearkat on Tuesday 16 March 10 11:57 GMT (UK)
well done, lovely photo   :)
Title: Re: St. Pauls Church, Milton Regis
Post by: jibba on Sunday 21 March 10 16:48 GMT (UK)
Hi Shane

Thanks for posting that photo. Unfortunately it also is the same one from John Clancy's book  :(

Thanks all for help. I will look for another avenue to track this elusive church down

Regards

Lee
Title: Re: St. Pauls Church, Milton Regis
Post by: Cornopean on Tuesday 03 January 12 15:16 GMT (UK)
I too have been searching for a decent photo of St. Paul`s and found this in the process. There seems to be many of the Congregational Church, which was only about 100yards East of it and there was another, Methodist Chapel another 100 yards on. I find it quite unbelievable that St. Paul`s was built to replace such a magnificent building as Holy Trinity! It`s irreplaceable!

http://www.churchplansonline.org/show_full_image.asp?resource_id=08900.tif
Title: Re: St. Pauls Church, Milton Regis
Post by: jibba on Tuesday 03 January 12 22:16 GMT (UK)
Hi. Thanks for the link. Indeed it is very odd that St Paul, which stood for nearly 90 years, has almost been forgotten about compared to the former Paradise and Methodist chapels which stood nearby.

It is also sad to see that St Paul's, which was built to replace the decaying Holy Trinity, was itself left to rot when someone decided that Holy Trinity was worth saving after all

Regards,
Lee
Title: Re: St. Pauls Church, Milton Regis
Post by: Cornopean on Thursday 05 January 12 07:14 GMT (UK)
jibba, don`t hold your breath, but I may have discovered a photo(s) of St. Paul`s. If successful I will try to post them.
Title: Re: St. Pauls Church, Milton Regis
Post by: Cornopean on Thursday 05 January 12 18:47 GMT (UK)
jibba, I have four photos and a newspaper cutting. One shows St. Paul`s with The Congregational Church (Paradise Chapel) in the background. The other three, very sad ones that show the church when it was being demolished. Unfortunately, I haven`t permission to post them and don`t know how to email them to you as this forum apparently does not allow attachments to PMs. HELP!!!!! as I`ve still got `L plates on my computer. When and if I can obtain permission I`ll have a go at posting them
Title: Re: St. Pauls Church, Milton Regis
Post by: bearkat on Thursday 05 January 12 20:28 GMT (UK)
If you click on the green scroll to the left of one of jibba's posts you will be able to send a personal message with your email address.
Title: Re: St. Pauls Church, Milton Regis
Post by: Cornopean on Thursday 05 January 12 20:38 GMT (UK)
If you click on the green scroll to the left of one of jibba's posts you will be able to send a personal message with your email address.
Thanks bearkat!
Title: Re: St. Pauls Church, Milton Regis
Post by: Cornopean on Tuesday 20 August 13 21:00 BST (UK)
jibba! At long last I have a photo of the interior of St. Paul`s which was demolished in the 1950s. It was never built to replace the Parish Church of Holy Trinity, but was a `Chapel of Ease` to the Parish Church. It`s possible that it was demolished due to the frequent flooding in the area from Milton Creek into which the Paper Mill deposited its effluent. It was definitely a rather dismal, damp, smoky area due to the nearby industry. Photo by courtesy of John Crunden.
Title: Re: St. Pauls Church, Milton Regis
Post by: casalguidi on Wednesday 21 August 13 14:24 BST (UK)
Brilliant photo and how wonderful that you can tell something of the location too!

Casalguidi :)
Title: Re: St. Pauls Church, Milton Regis
Post by: Cornopean on Wednesday 21 August 13 15:02 BST (UK)
I`m hoping for another at the weekend. The owner says it`s not good quality as it`s a copy. I`m keeping my fingers crossed that it`s not the same one.
Title: Re: St. Pauls Church, Milton Regis
Post by: jibba on Thursday 22 August 13 19:33 BST (UK)
Fantastic! Thanks for finding that photo! Nice to see it in its former glory, rather the derelict state it appears in later photos
Title: Re: St. Pauls Church, Milton Regis
Post by: Cornopean on Thursday 22 August 13 20:55 BST (UK)
Thanks for your reply, jibba! I`m now in the process of `pinpointing` the exact site of the church. Although I remember it, the area has changed beyond all recognition and it`s now very difficult to determine exactly where it stood.

I`ve marked two areas on the attachment which can`t be far out and am hoping to be more accurate by next week.
Title: Re: St. Pauls Church, Milton Regis
Post by: jibba on Saturday 24 August 13 23:18 BST (UK)
Evening

I believe I’ve pinpointed where St Pau'ls use to stand. The clue was a footpath that can be seen in two photos that ran behind St Paul's, connecting Church Street to St Paul's Street. The footpath, still using its original course, can be seen from Google Maps (the blue line on the map below)

The numbers on the map relate to the photos that have the footpath in them and the direction the photographer was standing when he took them.

1)   This photo of Periwinkle Mill as shown on the This is Milton Regis site - http://www.this-is-miltonregis.webspace.virginmedia.com/GALLERY/WATERMILL/periwinkle%20 (http://www.this-is-miltonregis.webspace.virginmedia.com/GALLERY/WATERMILL/periwinkle%20)

2)   The photo below that Cornopean kindly sent me showing St Paul being demolished. Notice the curve in the footpath that still exists today!

If the weather behaves itself tomorrow, I will try to pop down to Church Street to try and take photos



Jibba
Title: Re: St. Pauls Church, Milton Regis
Post by: Cornopean on Sunday 25 August 13 06:40 BST (UK)
I agree with you, Jibba. I was hoping to pinpoint the exact location this weekend, but things didn`t go to plan. I know someone who knows the EXACT location but I didn`t want to drag this elderly gentleman out in the pouring rain, yesterday. It was he that transported the two pews from St. Pauls to Holy Trinity on a wheelbarrow.

Hoping that the following may be of interest!

Two pews from St. Pauls that are now under the Tower of Holy Trinity, Milton Regis.
Title: Re: St. Pauls Church, Milton Regis
Post by: Cornopean on Sunday 25 August 13 06:51 BST (UK)
Another two items from St. Pauls, now in Holy Trinity.

One of the two desks - it is not known which, as they are very similar.

The restored 1914-18 War Memorial.
Title: Re: St. Pauls Church, Milton Regis
Post by: Cornopean on Friday 20 September 13 19:30 BST (UK)
jibba, have a look at this site on which you will find St. Paul`s Church in 1930. Also the Congregational Church (Paradise Chapel - up a bit and to the left of St. Paul`s) but strangely I cannot see the spire.
You were spot-on with your location! I`ve place marked  St. Pauls on the website, it`s the one on the left.

http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/image/epw032072?search=Sittingbourne&ref=0



Title: Re: St. Pauls Church, Milton Regis
Post by: jibba on Friday 20 September 13 21:29 BST (UK)
Evening

Sorry for the late reply. Thanks for sending the photos of the furniture. It is nice to know at least parts of St Paul's still survive today.

I did take some photos of the area as promised. As it has changed so much, I couldn't get into the position where the previous photographers have stood.

I've had to reduce the size of the images to allow them to upload. If anyone would like to see the originals, please message me

This first one show the beginning of the footpath in Church Street with the water wheel present in both photos

Title: Re: St. Pauls Church, Milton Regis
Post by: jibba on Friday 20 September 13 21:32 BST (UK)
This tries to show the kink in the footpath were it went round the back of the church. The photo didn't capture it as well as I'd hope :(
Title: Re: St. Pauls Church, Milton Regis
Post by: Cornopean on Friday 20 September 13 22:57 BST (UK)
Great pics, jibba. It took me a while to sort out the first one but I think I`ve `got it` now. With your permission I`d like to `lift` them to add to the others I have. Personal use only, not for profit etc.
Title: Re: St. Pauls Church, Milton Regis
Post by: jibba on Saturday 21 September 13 11:02 BST (UK)
Morning

That's fine with me. The more information that is out there regarding St Paul's, the better the chance that someone will find they have photos of it stored away somewhere!

Thanks for sending the above link. Its great to see parts of Sittingbourne that no longer exist, including the houses were my ancestors were born/lived.

I've included below my grandparents and family outside St Paul's when they married in 1946 as another photo to add to the St Paul's collection!
Title: Re: St. Pauls Church, Milton Regis
Post by: Cornopean on Saturday 21 September 13 13:39 BST (UK)
Many thanks, jibba! One more for the collection.
Title: Re: St. Pauls Church, Milton Regis
Post by: Cornopean on Tuesday 21 April 15 16:07 BST (UK)
I have recently discovered that there are two stained glass windows from St. Paul`s in the Old Court Hall Museum at Milton Regis.
Title: Re: St. Pauls Church, Milton Regis
Post by: jibba on Sunday 26 April 15 19:06 BST (UK)
Thanks for the update. Will have to have a look now that the musuem is open again :)