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looking for ada wiseman/george sugden
grew up norwich/norfolk
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Hi and welcome :)
Did Ada and George marry one another, or were they otherwise connected?
Can you give some indication of dates?
What sort of information are you seeking about each of them?
Anna
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Is this marriage relevant (from www.freebmd.org.uk)?
Marriage Dec qtr 1907
SUGDEN George Alfred
WISEMAN Ada Marion
on same page, Norwich 4b 411
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many thanks-I am new at this-will check out www.freebmd
little is known except for marriage of George and Ada and their children.I think the info you sent me is what I am looking for as headstones read George A. 1886 & Ada M. 1888
trying to go back to their families
know George had brothers Oliverand Donald plus ???
know nothing of Ada"s brothers and sisters if any
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Hi patches2
These could possibly be the births of the family you have and also them in 1901 census.
You may need to purchase a couple of certificates to be sure you are on the right track.
Births Sep 1887
SUGDEN George Alfred Norwich 4b 118
Births Jun 1904
Sugden Oliver Henry Norwich 4b 134
Births Sep 1897
Sugden Donald Leslie Norwich 4b 113
1901 census 11 St.Martins Rd., Norwich
George Sugden 44 born Chatham Kent Brewers clerk
Mary Sugden 35 Finobury Park London
George Sugden 13 Norwich Norfolk
May Sugden 10 Norwich Norfolk
Gladys Sugden 8 Norwich Norfolk
Nellie Sugden 5 Norwich Norfolk
Donald Sugden 3 Norwich Norfolk
Edith Sugden under 1 month Norwich Norfolk
Maria Davy 43 Nurse
Olive Jermy 16 servant
Kind regards
Mariac
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Hiya...and welcome to Rootschat Patches....
if the 1901 census family is yours .....as the children were born in Norwich ,I checked for a marriage for George Sugden to Mary ????? in Norwich around 1886 -( George jnr being b in 1887)..found this
George Sugden to Mary Edith Dove ...June qtr 1884 Norwich 4b 312 .....
also this
Ada Marion Wiseman was born Dec Qtr 1888 Norwich 4b 133
so George was 20 and Ada 18 when they married....NO SUGDEN / WISEMAN children born after 1911....3 possibles 1907-1911
Stanley William Sugden b sep qtr 1908 norwich 4b 151
Lucy Sugden b mar qtr 1909 Norwich 4b 157 (so these can`t be siblings-too close for birth dates)
Ruby E Sugden b june qtr 1911 Norwich 4b 119
so it would appear that George and Ada had either 1 or 2 children ...no more...do you have any children for George and Ada ???
allan :)
ADDED maybe someone can find Ada Marion Wiseman in the 1891 census in Norwich...but be careful as there was an Ada May Wiseman born in the same qtr in 1888...so Ada M Wiseman may be confusing...it has to be ADA MARION WISEMAN.allan
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If we have the right
George Alfred Sugden/Ada Marion Wiseman
they had 6 children with George # 1 (will check dob)
rest of children ? born in canada (will check)
Ada
Alice
Margaret
Robert
Ruth
many thanks Lorraine
will visit census site
having trouble getting anywhere at the free.bmd site
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rest of children ? born in canada (will check)
This looks like the family leaving for Canada:
SS Canada, Liverpool-Montreal, 22 April 1909
Geo A. SUGDEN Joiner 21
Ada M. do Wife 20
Jack do Child 1
contracted to land at Quebec
Canadian passenger lists confirm that they landed at Quebec on 1 May 1909; ultimate destination listed as Toronto.
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Hiya...and welcome to Rootschat Patches....
if the 1901 census family is yours .....as the children were born in Norwich ,I checked for a marriage for George Sugden to Mary ????? in Norwich around 1886 -( George jnr being b in 1887)..found this
George Sugden to Mary Edith Dove ...June qtr 1884 Norwich 4b 312 .....
also this
Ada Marion Wiseman was born Dec Qtr 1888 Norwich 4b 133
so George was 20 and Ada 18 when they married....NO SUGDEN / WISEMAN children born after 1911....3 possibles 1907-1911
Stanley William Sugden b sep qtr 1908 norwich 4b 151
Lucy Sugden b mar qtr 1909 Norwich 4b 157 (so these can`t be siblings-too close for birth dates)
Ruby E Sugden b june qtr 1911 Norwich 4b 119
so it would appear that George and Ada had either 1 or 2 children ...no more...do you have any children for George and Ada ???
allan :)
ADDED maybe someone can find Ada Marion Wiseman in the 1891 census in Norwich...but be careful as there was an Ada May Wiseman born in the same qtr in 1888...so Ada M Wiseman may be confusing...it has to be ADA MARION WISEMAN.allan
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Hi
Not very good at this. First time. Re Stanley Sugden and Lucy Sugden. They were siblings. Stanley was my father.
Norwich Lady
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Welcome to Rootschat, Norwich Lady :)
It looks as though your SUGDENs stayed in the Norwich area and were not part of the family Patches2 was looking for, who emigrated to Canada - is that right?
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This looks like the family leaving for Canada:
SS Canada, Liverpool-Montreal, 22 April 1909
Geo A. SUGDEN Joiner 21
Ada M. do Wife 20
Jack do Child 1
contracted to land at Quebec
Canadian passenger lists confirm that they landed at Quebec on 1 May 1909; ultimate destination listed as Toronto.
The son Jack SUGDEN died on 19 Sep 1924 at Oshawa Hospital, Ontario, aged 16yrs 6 months. He was a tinsmith, son of George Alfred and Ada Marian SUGDEN, both born England, whose Canadian address was Oshawa Post Office, East Whitby. His death record shows that Jack had suffered an accidental bullet wound to the abdomen eight months earlier, and died from a secondary haemorrhage.
Jack was buried at Union Cemetery, Oshawa on 22 September 1924.
N.B. Although he was Jack in the passenger list and death record, he may have been officially John - the name in which he was enumerated in the Canadian 1911 census in East Whitby, Ontario, with parents George (a butcher) and Ada, and sister Alice who is shown as having been born in Ontario in April 1910.
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Re Stanley Sugden (My Father)
My Grandfather William Robert Sugden born 1885 Norwich had three brothers who emigrated to Canada.
George Alfred born 1887
Donald Leslie born 1897
Oliver born 1904
Parents George Sugden and Mary Dove ( His mother came from Fredericton, New Brunswick)
I have gone back further if you are interested.
Kind regards
Norwich Lady
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Re Stanley William Sugden/Lucy Sugden and George Alfred/Ada Wiseman
George Sugden b. 1856 married to Mary Edith Dove. They had 10 living children, one being GEORGE ALFRED b. 1887 married to ADA WISEMAN and also my grandfather William Robert Sugden b 2nd July 1885 who married to Edith May Yallop. He had 3 brothers who also emigrated to Canada – George Alfred, Donald Leslie and Oliver.
My grandparents had STANLEY WILLIAM b June 1908 also LUCY b 28th February 1909 and died the following day 1st March 1909. Ruby b 1911 was my grandfather’s sister i.e. sister to George Alfred. She was younger than my father (her nephew). I can remember Aunt Ruby and Aunt Edith (who never married)
Uncle Donnie and Aunt Aggie and came over from Canada and attended my daughters christening in 1971.
I have a photo of the grave in Norwich of George Sugden and Mary Dove together with their daughter Edna Daisy known simply as Daisy. (sister to George Alfred)
I also have photos of my grandfather William Robert as a young man and also just before he died in 1969, together with Edith sister to George Alfred.
GEORGE ALFREDS grandparents were William Edward Sugden born 1824/1825 in Bradford Yorkshire and MARY ELIZABETH HAMILTON was b. 1830 in Fredericton New Brunswick Canada.
They are both buried here in Norwich UK.
Has anybody any more information on them. I know that he served in the 33rd Yorkshire Regiment and was posted to Canada in the late 1840’s. His first child was born in the UK in 1850. He then went to Scutari in the Crimea then back to the UK to Chatham St Mary Kent where George was born in 1856. I know nothing on wedding possibly in Canada or Mary Hamiltons family. Can anybody help?
Norwich Lady
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Norwich Lady thank you for all your info
I am daughter of Robert Sugden
my -grand parents George/Ada
You asked about Mary Elizabeth Hamilton-I have little info
There is some question if she served with Florence Nightengale in the crimea as she would have travelled in the military with her husband
Am also wondering background of Mary Elizabeth Dove-there is some suggestion that she was from Newfoundland
and North American Indian
Am still unclear as to the 10 children of George/Mary
1. William Robert(85)
2. George Alfred (87)
3. Donald Leslie (97)
4. Oliver Henry (04)
5. Edith Gertrude who did not marry
6. Edna Daisy who went by Daisy
then it gets fuzzy for the last four ????
May
Gladys
Nellie
Ruby
hoping this gets through as this is all new to me
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Hi Norwich Lady
I realise this thread is a little dated now....
However, I'm researching Sugden in Chatham a little earlier than the dates mentioned here, and wondered if you had come across anything in your research to indicate the Norwich Sugdens may be linked to my William Sugden b.1800 Chatham, Kent..??
These birth details come from military attestation papers, but I'm yet to be find anything else to support them, along with parent details.
Kind regards
MM