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I am searching the census returns for Thomas Fisher. he was born in Wakefield about 1843
I know from his children's birth and marriage certificates that his wife is Mary Rowland, who was born in Ardsley about 1843.
I can find them in the 1891 Census for Alverthorpe with children JAne, (13) Rowland (5) and Willie (2).
I can link the 1891 census for Alverthorpe with the 1881 for Wakefield via Jane (2) and mother in law Mary Rowland and dau Charlotte's Birth Cert. which I obtained. Older child Mary A (age 12) is shown born in Dewsbury (1869).
But I can't find the family in 1871 in any Dewsbury as I would expect, not in surrounding areas.
Can anyone find them in 1871 in this area please?
Can anyone find a marriage record for them I have not found other children earlier that Mary A (1869). so normally indicating married before that date -though might not have been married at all!
Then, once I get the link to the Dewsbury area, it will be even more fun, are there are dozens of Fisher families here abouts!
Many thanks,
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Hi
he was born in Wakefield about 1843
1891 shows Dewsbury 1847
1881 - Dewsbury 1843
Big gap in ages between daughters Mary aged 12 and Charlotte aged 5 on the 1881
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Yes, despite the common people in the 1891 and 1881 Census returns, that concerned me a bit -I did wonder if I had two different people.
Nut I have big gaps in other parts of my family, where children were born and died in the intervening 10 years.
Suppose I could send for the Birth Cert for Mary A.
Unless someone has a Dewsbury Baptisms register/ transcription for a lookup 1869
ERic
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I've got a weird feeling about this couple. I wonder if wife Mary had been previously married in which case you would be looking for a Thomas Fisher/ Mary ??? marriage
I've checked the 1851 and 1861 and there is no Mary Rowland b Dewsbury or Wakefield 1840-1844 and I cannot find mum Mary in 1851 or 1861
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Notwithstanding that one Census shows Mary fisher b Manchester, the one I want was Mary Rowland was born in Ardsley - not a million miles away.
But if Thomas was married before, IfI find a Cert for Thomas Fisher and Mary Rowland, it will be circa 1868, and therefore show him as wid. or single, and solve it.
Eric
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I forgot to add: the Ardsley I am speaking of is I think the one between Wakefield and Bradford, rather than the one near Sheffield. Or further away. Eric
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I cannot find mum Mary in 1851 or 1861
Mum Mary (61 b Ardsley), plus her husband James (71 b Manchester), are enumerated in Alverthorpe as ROULAND in 1861: RG9/3428/55/20.
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I cannot find mum Mary in 1851 or 1861
Mum Mary (61 b Ardsley), plus her husband James (71 b Manchester), are enumerated in Alverthorpe as ROULAND in 1861: RG9/3428/55/20.
...and the family is ROWLUNT in 1851, daughter Mary in the household (8 b Ardsley): HO107/2328/277/23.
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YEs, I had them. The Mary here is the one who appears as the Mother in Law in 1881 though as age 82. the one I think marries my Thomas (b about 1843) is also b Ardsley, 1844ish.
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YEs, I had them. The Mary here is the one who appears as the Mother in Law in 1881 though as age 82. the one I think marries my Thomas (b about 1843) is also b Ardsley, 1844ish.
I see all of that - just trying to trace the family step-by-step to see where Mary came from and try to assist you with finding any marriage.
Have you already identified where "your" Mary (aged 8 in 1851) was in 1861 and 1871?
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YEs, I got that.
But I (we) are still left trying to find the marriage date and then the cert. for Thomas + Mary b 1844.
As the first child I know about is charlotte, and she is b Alverthorpe so i was thinking along the line of a Marriage in Alverthorpe.
This note was a reply to CaroleW.
Sorry, AVM I had not meant to upset you!. I had not noticed you joined in, as I was busy slowly writing one reply.
Hope we are all in step now.
Eric
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To avm, query, No I can't find Mary Rowland or ROULAND of Rolunt on the Wakefield/ Dewsbury/ Ardsley area in 1851 of 1861. Eric
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Charlotte's Birth Cert is dated 11 July 1876. issued in Alverthorpe.
Father: Thomas fisher living in Alverthorpe. and Engine something I can't read like lock.
Mother Mary Fisher. formerly Rowland.
Eric