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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Surrey => Topic started by: bbcitv on Thursday 11 March 10 15:40 GMT (UK)
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william hart born 1845 (ish) Kew Surrey on 1891 census, haven't been able to find his birth, anyone else looking? He married Charlotte and lived in York
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i see on the 1881 census he was down as born richmond,surrey
have you tried to follow him back through the censuses
i see in 1881 he was a sergeant in the 4th royal irish dragoon guards
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going by the birthplace of charlotte and the birthplace of the eldest child william i take it they married in ireland?
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the reg dist for kew is richmond
there is no william hart birth regd in this dist near the date of birth given the nearest is 1838
before 1875 it was estimated that between 6%-10% of births were not registered maybe your william was amongst that percentage?
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yes they married in Dublin, any ideas for tracing though army records@
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yes they married in Dublin, any ideas for tracing though army records@
not really
you could put a posting on the armed forces board on rootschat
there are some very knowledgeable people on rootschat who specialise in those sort of look ups
mick
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Hi bbcitv
You have posted your topic on the Surrey Look Up Offers board. Do you wish me to move the topic to either the main Surrey board or the Surrey Look Up Board?
Also see this previous topic on what appears to be the same man.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,381822.0.html
Regards
Valda
Surrey moderator
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Hi,
This could be his army records from the National Archives ref; WO97/2999/155
William HART
Parish of birth: Kew
Near the town of Richmond, Surrey
Age: 22 years 10 months
Gardener
Not married
No children
Attested to serve in the Fourth Regiment of the Dragoon Guards for 12 years
Previously in the 1st Royal Regt of Dragoons
Height: 5ft 10in
Complexion: Fresh
Eyes: Hazel
Hair: Brown
Any distinctive marks: None (Slight Varicose Veins of left leg)
Dated at: Newcastle Under Lyme
26 April 1867
Military History Sheet
Next of Kin: Charlotte HART
Married to Charlotte WILKINSON
St Pauls Parish, Dublin, 1st May 1876
There some more info on these pages if you PM me an email address I will send them to you.
I think this makes his birthdate around June 1844, no luck finding him elsewhere though.
Regards
Daisy
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Hi,Daisy I am also interested in william and Chalotte as they are my G Grandparents, this is very interesting as I have found a William Hart born June !844 on FREEBMDbut says Lambeth I know this is Surreybut do you think this might be another red Herring? regards Nikitah
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Hi
Lambeth and Kew are over 9 miles apart and that's if you take the shorter route crossing the winding and semi looping river Thames on bridges that may not all have been in place in 1844. It would be a longer route if you stayed south of the river in the then Surrey, now all London.
William Hart consistently gives his birthplace as Kew but since he is difficult to find on the 1851 census it may be because he was born illegitimately and he appears in another surname on that census which is why it may be worth researching the details of the Hart family of Kew given on the other post particularly any older daughters.
I will move this post to the main Surrey board
Regards
Valda
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thanks for that Valda , Nikita
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Hi
Thanks Valda that's great all the details fit . We have been trying to find this for ages. What a great site this is, wish we had found it sooner
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Hi, Daisy or Valda I was wondering if "Dated at Newcastle Under Lyme means he enlisted there?
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Hi
Attested to serve in the Fourth Regiment of the Dragoon Guards for 12 years
Previously in the 1st Royal Regt of Dragoons
Meaning he had already served in the army which was probably why he was in Newcastle under Lyme when he re-enlisted. You can track his previous service and his date of enlistment through the muster books of 1st Royal Regiment of Dragoons at The National Archives.
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=16
Regards
Valda