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Title: burial lookup
Post by: BOYTEN on Wednesday 10 March 10 20:46 GMT (UK)
Hi can anyone do me a burial lookup for henry ebers died mar 1857 in chelsea in the workhouse to see where he was buried please many thanks anita
Title: Re: burial lookup
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 10 March 10 21:01 GMT (UK)
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died mar 1857
He was buried in the parish of St Luke Chelsea on 29.1.1853  aged 76 - his address is shown as College Place
Title: Re: burial lookup
Post by: dawnsh on Wednesday 10 March 10 21:04 GMT (UK)
Hi Anita

The entry Carole has found took place in 1853 not 1857. Is this a possible match?

If not, Valda has written a really useful guide to London burials which can be found here

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,403492.0.html

Have a look and then let us know where you have looked so far and we may be able to offer more suggestions.

Dawn
Title: Re: burial lookup
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 10 March 10 21:07 GMT (UK)
Clearly not the same one but there is no other burial entry

Deaths March qtr 1857 
 
Henry Ebers    Chelsea  1a 110
Title: Re: burial lookup
Post by: BOYTEN on Wednesday 10 March 10 21:20 GMT (UK)
yes thats the certificate i have anita
Title: Re: burial lookup
Post by: BOYTEN on Wednesday 10 March 10 21:35 GMT (UK)
henry died in the workhouse in chelsea according to the 1857 death cert would he have been buried in the workhouse cemetry if there is such a thing?
Title: Re: burial lookup
Post by: BOYTEN on Wednesday 10 March 10 22:06 GMT (UK)
sorry forgot to say there is also no entry of a henry ebers in 1853 died in the bmd only john henry in 1854 which is another of ours. Must have made a mistake on the burials comewhere although they are original docs on line on ancestry.
Title: Re: burial lookup
Post by: dawnsh on Wednesday 10 March 10 22:18 GMT (UK)
It would seem the burial registers for the Chelsea Workhouse do not survive.

Dawn
Title: Re: burial lookup
Post by: dawnsh on Wednesday 10 March 10 22:31 GMT (UK)
I think the 1853 burial at St Lukes may be Mary Ebers, there's an entry in the day book that matches the freebmd but the burial  reg entry says Henry  :-\

The entries either side of 'Mary' in the day book are Fanny Wright and Esther Hales, they are almost either side of 'Henry' in the burial reg. The parish clerk has made a real muck up of the names on the next page.

Dawn
Title: Re: burial lookup
Post by: BOYTEN on Wednesday 10 March 10 22:45 GMT (UK)
Hi thanks for that- i have the original burial ones from ancestry on two separate sheets - the one for mary as you say but the one for henry is on a different sheet and he is at the bottom of the 2nd page and says henry ebers college place- same as mary, age 76 (same as mary) buried on the same day - jan 29th 1853 so a real muck up somewhere pity the records of the workhouse are not available what do you think about the creed records of entry and discharge or death will they tell me?
Title: Re: burial lookup
Post by: mellis5377 on Wednesday 05 May 10 13:39 BST (UK)
Good day all,

My father and I are at a loss for one of my ancestors, a George Thomas Ellis of 6 Marsham Street, Middex who died in St George's Union Infirmary, Fulham Road on 21st Jan 1886 from TB. We have tried in vane to locate his burial location around the West of London area, but as yet have had no success.

Burial locations we have so far checked are Brompton, Hanwell, Kensal Green, Gunnersbury and Hillingdon cemeteries. We'd be most grateful for any leads to his where abouts if anyone could point us in the right direction perhaps?

Kind regards
Matthew Ellis
Title: Re: burial lookup
Post by: jane harrison on Wednesday 05 May 10 16:43 BST (UK)
hello
dont know if this one will help your search
hammersmith hospital on the fulham palace road has a cem directly at the back its called Margravin cemetery.was opened in 1869  app according to the board just inside the gates has seen over 80,000 burials in its time ,it became a garden of rest in 1869.it forms part of the barons court conservation area im afraid it gives no  contact numbers.
best wishes
jeannette
Title: Re: burial lookup
Post by: jane harrison on Wednesday 05 May 10 16:54 BST (UK)
hello
sorry forgot to mention to avoid cofusion as there is a hammersmith hospital in w 12 next to the scrubs prison. the  hammersmith hospital  i mentioned is in w 6 better known as charring cross hospital  & i believe was built on part of the grounds that belonged to fulham workhouse.
regards
jeannette
Title: Re: burial lookup
Post by: Valda on Wednesday 05 May 10 20:13 BST (UK)
Hi

Dying in a workhouse infirmary doesn't necessarily make a person a pauper. Many of these workhouses became hospitals with the start of the National Health system in 1946.

http://www.nhshistory.net/poor_law_infirmaries.htm

Therefore the family may have claimed the body and chosen to have him buried in for instance the cemetery his wife was buried in (if she predeceased him) when the family were living somewhere else or indeed the local cemetery next door in Fulham/Hammersmith.

If the family didn't claim the body and he had a pauper funeral paid for by Fulham and Hammersmith poor law guardians, this unfortunately also doesn't guarantee a burial in the nearest cemetery. The cemeteries vied for workhouse business since they supplied a regular flow of 'clientele.' Consequently workhouses often went with the cheapest bidder and that could vary between cemeteries at different times. Westminster poor law burials for instance can be found in the large cemetery at Woking Surrey.

The guide which Dawn has already mentioned gives you a full list of London cemeteries in each area (with links) and the date that each opened. For a death in Fulham because you always have to start somehere I would start with Hammersmith and Fulham cemeteries. There are four listed managed by Hammersmith and Fulham, two of which were not open in 1886. Other than Brompton, which is an independently managed cemetery, the other cemeteries you list are not in Hammersmith and Fulham. If Hammersmith and Fulham fail to find him then Chelsea and Kensington managed cemeteries would be a logical next step, but not the first choice unless there is some further information that might suggest otherwise.

Hanwell - Westminster and Chelsea and Kensington
Gunnersbury - Chelsea and Kensington
Kensal Green independently managed in north Kensington
Hillingdon - Hillingdon


The guide

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,403485.0.html


The two Hammersmith and Fulham cemeteries which were open in 1886 were Margravine (Old Hammersmith cemetery) already mentioned. It is on Margravine Road and Fulham cemetery (Old Fulham cemetery) which is on Fulham Palace Road.


Fulham workhouse became Fulham Hospital and now is Charing Cross Hospital as Jeannette has already stated


http://www.workhouses.org.uk/index.html?Fulham/Fulham.shtml


Margravine cemetery as she says is directly behind the hospital, Fulham cemetery is a bit further along the same road. Both are therefore equally strong possibilities.


Regards

Valda