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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Denbighshire => Wales => Denbighshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: glyna on Monday 08 March 10 23:48 GMT (UK)
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Hi
I wonder if anyone can help my grandfathers uncle run the smithy in llansantffraid his name was James Morris his son also run it till 1960 his name was gruffudd allan Morris James came from llansilin but was working the smithy in 1910 i know this bit as found a article showing this he was also the verger and choirmaster i know he is in our family tree as he was on my grandfathers death cert his name was John morris( he died at the smithy but buried in llansilin church ) and his wife was Elizabeth my grandfather was also John edward but known as ted
I hope someone knows something about this side of the morris as i have hit a brick wall
thanks
Glyn
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Sorry - it's difficult to understand your post as it has no punctuation separating the various parts.
Do I have this right?
Your grandfather was called John Morris but was also John Edward Morris known as Ted
Your grandfathers uncle was James Morris from Llansilin who was running a smithy in 1910 in Llansantffraid and was also a verger and choirmaster
His son was Gruffudd Allan Morris who continued running the smithy until 1960
For us to help fill in any gaps you need to supply more info as follows:
When and where was John/John Edward Morris born
What year was his uncle, James Morris the smithy, born
When and where was Gruffudd Allan Morris born
If James was running the smithy in 1910 - have you checked the 1911 census for info on him at that time
If John/John Edward Morris was born pre-1911 - what info do you have from the 1911 census about him or his family
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seems i have to say I'm sorry to you 1 for putting my post on twice
and 2 for not getting my punctuation right
John Morris snr born 1849
James Morris about 1879
John Edward Morris 1903
do not know when Gruffed Allan Morris was born
and yes i have been on 1911 census as that is how i found out the address
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Hi Glyn
I think you've been looking for this family for a while now. I remember that there were a few problems because they lived in areas that were covered by Oswestry, Llanfyllin and Corwen Registration Districts.
I'll have a read through the old threads to refresh my memory and get back to you.
Where were these Morrises in 1911?
Gadget
For my ref-
here and (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,384278.0.html)
here (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,390518.0.html)
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Hi again Glyn
I've just been reading the first of your threads from last year :)
Did you get the marriage cert of John Edward's grandparents in 1877? This should give you John Morris (b.c. 1850)'s father's name and occupation and his wife Elizabeth's maiden name.
John Morris (grandfather) was born Llanrhaeadr ym Mochnant circa 1850.
Gadget
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On the 1851, there are two possible John Morris, b. Llanrhaeadr in 1850:
HO107/2499/660/33 - Turn pike Gate, Castellmoch.
Parents - Gomer and Elizabeth
and
HO107/2499/ 589/8 - Market Street, Llanrhaeadr
Parents - John and Margaret
Gadget
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I think that this is the Uncle James, aged 2 in 1881:
Bodlith, Llansilin
RG11/2656/24/1
Morris
John, 32, ag lab, b. Llanrhaeadr
Elizabeth, 31, b. Merionethshire, Cynwyd
Mary, 4, b. Denbighshire, Llanarmon
James. 2. b. -do-
Llanarmon and Llansilin are only a few miles apart
Gadget
PS - does this link in to your Pont y Meibion query, as P y M is just outside Llanarmon?
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I see from this message:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,390518.msg2620606.html#msg2620606
that John Morris (1850)'s father was Gomer.
Glyn, I'm not sure what you are wanting now as we've done most of it before in the two threads of last May and June :-\
Gadget
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Marriage between Gomer Morris and Elizabeth Jones, Dec quarter 1849, Llanfyllin, vol 27 page 149
These will be John Morris (1850)'s parents and Elizabeth Morris and James Morris's grandparents and Ted's great grandparents and your great great great grandparents.
Gadget
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I'm just throwing out odds and ends of info now ???
In 1891, James was working with David Davies in Corwen:
RG13/5247/83/9
Melin Rug Smithy, Corwen
James Morris, servant, single, 22, Blacksmith b. Tregeiriog, Denbighshire.
Tregeiriog and t Pont y Meibion are very close - between Glyn Ceiriog and Llanarmon
Gadget
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:D
Just found James - he's in Llansantffraid Glyndyfrdwy near Corwen, Merionethshire. Luckily, I still have some Welsh.
No sign of Gruffydd (alternative spellings) on the 1911 free index.
Gadget
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:D
More success on the North Wales BMD
Griffith Alun Morris, 1916, Corwen
Full ref is Griffith A Morris - June q, 1916, Corwen vol 11 b page 594
His mother will be Ellen Edwards, I expect :)
Gadget
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thanks for this no sorry i dint
I only found about him when i found a peace about the smithy
on the Webb in the Y Bont news letter
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I think I've given you as much as there is now - James born Tregeiriog/Llanarmon not Llansilin, where he lmoved at a young age. Griffith born Corwen RD, 1916 - probably (Llansantffraid) Glyndyfrdwy
Is there anymore that you want?
Gadget
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a bit more:
James Morris and Ellen Edwards have the same marriage ref:
Dec q, 1901,, Corwen, vol 11b, p 645