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Title: John and Mary ROW of Kingsbury Episcopi
Post by: HistoryFan on Sunday 07 March 10 03:52 GMT (UK)
My ancestor William Row(e) was baptised 25/12/1816 at East Lambrooke Somerset, to parents John Row and Mary Row

2 younger siblings are noted - Thomas Row baptised 22/7/1821 (East Lambrooke) and Robert Row baptised 15/6/1823 (East Lambrooke).

The 1841 Census at Kingsbury Episcopi shows John Row (45), Mary Row (50) and sons Thomas and Robert (both noted as being 15 on this Census).

I am trying to find the Wedding date of John Row and Mary ? and if there were any siblings older than William Row.

Would appreciate any help.
Title: Re: John and Mary ROW of Kingsbury Episcopi
Post by: skylark on Thursday 06 May 10 23:57 BST (UK)
I have found a marriage at Martock:-

Date 7 Nov 1814

John Rowe of Kingsbury Episcopi to Mary Seward.


1851-
John Row H mar 55 Fruit dealer b.Kingsbury Somerset.
Mary Row W mar. 66 b. Kingsbury


1841  - in Kingsbury Episcopi

Malichi Row age 20 ag.lab. (maybe another son?) b.Kingsbury on 1861 census.
  Sarah Row 20
Aurther Row 2

Malichi Row married Sarah Lock Jun qtr.1839 Langport.

also Matthew Rowe b.1818 Kingsbury on the 1881 census.
Title: Re: John and Mary ROW of Kingsbury Episcopi
Post by: allibaker on Friday 07 May 10 17:04 BST (UK)
12th july 1818 kingsbury episcopi malachi row baptised parents listed as john row and mary
regards
alli
Title: Re: John and Mary ROW of Kingsbury Episcopi
Post by: HistoryFan on Sunday 09 May 10 21:36 BST (UK)
Thank you so much for this.

It has really helped me with my search.
Title: Re: John and Mary ROW of Kingsbury Episcopi
Post by: Bruce42 on Friday 10 February 17 10:27 GMT (UK)
John Row(e) is my 3x great grandfather.

Your William Row(e) b1816 had a further sibling Robert b1823.

William’s wife had forenames Mary Elizabeth but I don’t know her maiden name.

I believe that John Row’s father was William Row, who was a cordwainer of Kingsbury Epicopi, who was married to Martha Northover in Cerne Abbas, Dorset, in 1777.

The only child that I have from your William is Eliza Rowe b1845 d1930 in West Lambrook.

Can you fill in any gaps for me?
Title: Re: John and Mary ROW of Kingsbury Episcopi
Post by: Bruce42 on Friday 24 February 17 17:27 GMT (UK)
Following on from the above:

Re William Row from Kingsbury Episcopi, cordwainer, married by licence at Cerne Abbas in 1777.

Extensive searches have failed to show William Row's baptism.
His age was not given at death, poor, in 1791, in Kingsbury Episcopi.

All potential births of a William Row in Somerset have been of infant mortalities or too early a date.
Apprenticeship records were destroyed at Exeter in WW2.

Any help or ideas?

Bruce42
Title: Re: John and Mary ROW of Kingsbury Episcopi
Post by: allibaker on Friday 24 February 17 18:07 GMT (UK)
burial record doesnt help it just states william row buried 19th june 1791 st martins kingsbury episcopi.
wonder if his wifes burial helps?
martha row aged 74 years buried 23rd may 1831 st martins kingsbury episcopi. making her birth c 1757 assuming william was around the same age birth c 1757 ish
regards
alli
Title: Re: John and Mary ROW of Kingsbury Episcopi
Post by: Bruce42 on Friday 24 February 17 22:28 GMT (UK)
Many thanks, but I have found nothing around that time.  One school of thought is that a typical male marrying age was 25 at this time, so putting a birth as around 1752, but nothing then either.

Two 'possibles' have clearly been followed rapidly by deaths of the same.

Of course, he may have been much older than his wife.  After a seven year apprenticeship, he had to be at least 21 and considerably more if he was an established cordwainer.

I think that he must have travelled the relatively long distance from Kingsbury to Cerne Abbas for raw materials; there were tanneries there and most probably a market for Cordovan leather from Spain.

Maybe Martha was the innkeeper's daughter.....

Many thanks for any ideas

Bruce42


PS Wiiliam Row(e) was/is a very common name further west in Cornwall especially but I have conscientiously avoided straying from Somerset; proof of an attachment to any one would be impossible.
Title: Re: John and Mary ROW of Kingsbury Episcopi
Post by: Bruce42 on Friday 24 February 17 22:33 GMT (UK)
PS Martha Northover was born in Cerne Abbas 7 March 1760 - hence the need for a licence.  (She was most probably pregnant.)

Regards

Bruce42
Title: Re: John and Mary ROW of Kingsbury Episcopi
Post by: Bruce42 on Thursday 23 March 17 11:30 GMT (UK)
Hi!

Is anyone out there related to John and Mary Row(e) of Kingsbury?  I am...

All the best... :D
Title: Re: John and Mary ROW of Kingsbury Episcopi
Post by: trish1120 on Friday 24 March 17 10:50 GMT (UK)
I am not related but have some info that might be of interest.

All at St Martin, Kingsbury Episcopi.

Marriage;
MALACHI Seward to Ann PORTER 8 Feb 1783

Baptism;
JOHN Seward, Son of MARY, 25 Sept 1814 (base-born, Mother Spinster, abode Martock)

Burial;
ANN Seward age 70, 29 April 1827, abode Stembridge

****So looks like Mary Seward and John Row had a Child just before their Marriage 7 Nov 1814 in Martock.
**** Malachi Seward and Wife Ann nee Porter look like possible Parents for Mary Seward to me.

All on FreeREG

Trish :)
Title: Re: John and Mary ROW of Kingsbury Episcopi
Post by: Bruce42 on Tuesday 28 March 17 17:56 BST (UK)
Very many thanks.  I am sure that you are correct.  'Malachi' reoccurs.  This John probably died in infancy, as a child from the subsequent marriage was also named John.

Thank you again. :D
Title: Re: John and Mary ROW of Kingsbury Episcopi
Post by: trish1120 on Wednesday 29 March 17 15:03 BST (UK)
 :)
Title: Re: John and Mary ROW of Kingsbury Episcopi
Post by: Bruce42 on Monday 03 April 17 15:59 BST (UK)
It seems that Malachi/Malachy was a very common Christian name for the Sewards, going from father to son, over many years.

Where has HistoryFan gone?

Best wishes :)
Title: Re: John and Mary ROW of Kingsbury Episcopi
Post by: trish1120 on Wednesday 05 April 17 14:08 BST (UK)
That I dont know Historyfan hasnt been on here since 2014.
Title: Re: John and Mary ROW of Kingsbury Episcopi
Post by: Bruce42 on Wednesday 05 April 17 14:52 BST (UK)
Many thanks to you again.

Pity, because it looked like we were probably Row(e) related - far back!

By the way, the Malachi/y Sewards spent time in Barbados...

Thanks again :)