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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: Dav on Friday 05 March 10 06:24 GMT (UK)
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Hello I was wondering if anybody could translate the following bit of Latin it is from quite a long document written about 1530 and it has lots of abbreviations but I don't know how to put the lines in above abbreviated words.
I think someone is 40 years old or more but I don't know who.
Thanks
Dav
Rico Ratclyffe fil pdci Rici Ratclyffe militis Et insup dicunt qd post mortem pdci Thomas Ratclyffe & Rici Ratclyff mil pdci Mandia ac ceta pmissa cum omibz suis ptin de jur remanere debent pdci Rico Ratcluff ut fil & hered mascul de corpore pdci Rico Ratclyff militis legitime pcreat virtule concesionis ac donac pdict et est etatis quadraginta annos & ultra.
Et dicunt jur pdci sup sacrm sui qd pdci Mandia
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Awaiting expert input, but couldn't resist an attempt at using my school Latin rusty after '40 + years and more', to get the ball rolling... Beginner's humble effort...
One thing I think for sure is that the length of time is '4 X 20' years and ultra = beyond..so eighty years plus..a life time and more, by implication.
It seems to be a joint 'willing' (dicunt plural : they both state) or 'granting' that after death of the afforesaid (insuper) Rico Ratcliffe, ,son and father , also named Rico the rights should pass through legitimate male heirs (of the body (corpora) of the Miles (Soldier, Knight) for the time stated.
A little confused by Mandia with capital M , but am guessing this might mean by order or mandate , rather than name of a third party???
As I say I await to be corrected here,
Chris
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Hi Chris,
Not the hoped-for expert inputter, but after congratulating you on your effort might I persuade you to reconsider the 4x20? Quadraginta is still 40, I think, and 80 is octoginta.
Pinot
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Hi Chris and Pinot
Thanks very much for your replies.
I must admit I was reasonably sure that Quadraginta mean't forty, but I don't know any Latin except what I find in my little book of simple Latin,
Also Chris after re reading the document I think Mandia is written as manlia not Mandia as I first thought, does this make any difference or just confuse the issue more?
once again thanks very much
Dav