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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: LSpegal on Wednesday 03 March 10 22:29 GMT (UK)
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First I'll give you the link to my original post on the Cumberland board so you can see what I've learned and why I need some help with where to go now, thank you all for any help that you can offer me:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,441409.0.html
Can anyone suggest how I might find out WHERE in Scotland to look for his birth info or other records?
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First thought .... Apart from the 1841 and 1851, do you have John on any later censuses?
No, forget that. Sorry. I just double checked and he'd probably have died before 1861. If so, do you have his death certificate? Doubtful that you would get further information from it though ...
I'll keep thinking ...
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As suggested on the other thread, it might be worth looking at the original marriage entry of John and Mary in 1797 if you haven't already done so. It may or may not give further info about where John hails from.
Similarly with their children's baptisms which may state where John is from. Wishful thinking .... :-\
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Thanks Ruskie, I will look into these farther,. I appreciate the help.
Lisa
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I would take Susan's advice on your other thread and request a lookup for the marriage and baptisms at the Cumbria Record Office.
Alternatively you can order the films to your local LDS Family history Centre.
Someone may also have transcriptions of the original records if such a thing exists for the area.
I note that there are several possibilities for your John's birth on Familysearch. I haven't gone through them all, but wonder if you have? Look at the extracted records rather than the submitted ones and perhaps try to trace all the Johns through the census. You may be able to narrow them down further to one or two.
Sorry I can't think of anything else for you to try. I hope someone else can help you.
Best of luck with it. It's a tricky one - and quite frustrating.
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Thanks again Ruskie,
I know that Dalston records are available by books and thru the LDS, working on those! I will also contact the Cumbria Record Office. I appreciate your help!
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Thanks again Ruskie,
I know that Dalston records are available by books and thru the LDS, working on those! I will also contact the Cumbria Record Office. I appreciate your help!
Oh well that's something at least.
If you have the exact dates of marriage and birth the Cumbria RO might be able to supply photocopies of the original registers. I know some RO's do this for a minimal cost, and some charge a lot more. So depending on the response you get, you might also like to ask here on Rootschat for your Cumbria lookup. Someone may have the books or may be visiting the RO and be willing to help you out.
You did the right thing providing a link to your previous post on the subject at the beginning of this post, so it would be a good idea to do the same thing and provide links to both your posts about John if you make a Cumbria lookup request.
Let us know how you get on. :)
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Thanks again Ruskie,
I know that Dalston records are available by books and thru the LDS, working on those! I will also contact the Cumbria Record Office. I appreciate your help!
Oh well that's something at least.
If you have the exact dates of marriage and birth the Cumbria RO might be able to supply photocopies of the original registers. I know some RO's do this for a minimal cost, and some charge a lot more. So depending on the response you get, you might also like to ask here on Rootschat for your Cumbria lookup. Someone may have the books or may be visiting the RO and be willing to help you out.
You did the right thing providing a link to your previous post on the subject at the beginning of this post, so it would be a good idea to do the same thing and provide links to both your posts about John if you make a Cumbria lookup request.
Let us know how you get on. :)
I found a copy of the register entry that I'd saved, however it's a sid image so won't attach here, would there be any more info available than that? It just shows what the IGI on familysearch showed, names of the couple and ages, the year and Dalston, Cumberland. Ok, I think I fixed the problem and saved it as a jpeg. Let me know what you think (assuming this works). I don't know enough about English records to know if this is merely an index entry and more is available, OR if this is the actual record of marriage. Thus far, most of what I've ordered has been civil registrations.
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Um, this looks like something from Pallots, which is just an index. Pallots is mainly relevant to London/Middlesex marriages so I'm surprised to see a Cumberland marriage.
I believe that the original parish register may contain a little more information. IF this marriage is from Pallots, the following is what I found about these records:
Pallot's Index to Marriages is essential for researchers with London ancestry, as it covers all but two of the 103 parishes in the old City of London. The dates span the time from 1780 to the onset of General Registration in 1837. The more than 1.5 million marriage entries come mainly from London and Middlesex, but also include entries from 2500 parishes in 38 counties outside of London-many not available in other sources. Also included are several records from counties in Wales. With indexing begun in 1813, several of the registers transcribed in Pallot's index no longer exist, having been destroyed or lost in the time since.
The index slips were handwritten on paper, and indexing continued regularly over a period of more than 150 years. Each slip identifies the church or chapel in which the marriage was celebrated, the names of bride and of groom, whether spinster, bachelor, widow or widower and sometimes other detail along with the date of the event.
The original paper slips of the Pallot Index are owned and held at The Institute of Heraldic and Genealogical Studies, Canterbury, England. The Institute may have access to fuller details that may have survived among the original parish records.
So I thnk still worth trying to track down the original or at least a transcript of the original.
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Thanks Ruskie for that info! I will certainly try to track down an original! Appreciate the feedback, Lisa
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Oh gosh, this one says born Ireland? at least the transcription does, the letter on the image might be an "S" though..... at least you found it, thanks so much!!
Lisa
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Just wanted to keep you updated, I got some possible replies in a group I'm in, here's the link:
http://www.genealogywise.com/group/scotlandandscottishancestry
It's been suggested he may have had two weddings (based on info posted), one in Dalston, the other in SCT. (something to follow up on anyhow).
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How interesting Lisa. :)
So this is a close match - except yours is John and this one is James:
JAMES AITKEN = MARY SKILTON
1 SEP 1798
Low Church
Paisley
Renfrew
Scotland
Could be a completely different couple. Or might the names have been mixed up?
Have you checked the marriage on Scotlands People?
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/
Are you familiar with this site?
You may not get any more information so don't be too disappointed. The OPR's can be a bit hit and miss.
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Hi Ruskie,
Yeah, might not be connected at all, hard to say. As for Scotland's people, I don't have a sub and it will only tell me how many results it found unless I DO have one. Went there to see what I could find...
I just can't afford any subscriptions really, I have ancestry on a month basis, probably won't have it next month,so trying to get what I can while the getting's good as they say. Have been posting to all the forums and message boards I can find too, in hopes someone out there might be connected or able to help.
I think I'll look at what I can order thru the LDS that's my next most economical solution.
Will keep you all updated, thanks again, Lisa
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Lisa,
You need to join Scotlands People and purchase credits rather than a subscription.
Minimum purchase is £6 for 30 credits. It's really the best value around, but you need to be careful with your searches, and it's easy to get carried away because certificates etc can be immediately downloaded (instant gratification ;)).
I'm not sure if this is still valid but you can join this site which gives some free credits to Scotlands People:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,436939.0.html
It's an offer they do fairly regularly so worth keeping an eye on Ancestral Scotland. You can also get friends and relatives to sign up and give you their credits. ;)
Good luck with it all.
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HI Lisa
I had a few spare credits at SPeople so looked it up for you
All it says is 'Sept 1st James Aitken and Mary Skilton both in this parish'
Year 1798. In the margin is written Aitken and underneath EX 17th.
Don't think it will help except for elimination purposes. It was Low Church Paisley Renfrew.
Joy :)
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HI Lisa
I had a few spare credits at SPeople so looked it up for you
All it says is 'Sept 1st James Aitken and Mary Skilton both in this parish'
Year 1798. In the margin is written Aitken and underneath EX 17th.
Don't think it will help except for elimination purposes. It was Low Church Paisley Renfrew.
Joy :)
Well thank you Joy, that was very kind of you to do. I just hate for people to waste credits on my research, I mean you have to buy them and all. Anyway, thank you so much!
Lisa
ps: if there's ever anything I can do to help you, just ask!!
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You're welcome Lisa....people help me and I like to return the favour.
What goes round comes round.
Joy
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Yes, Joy, I feel the same way!! I do alot of research for others when they get stuck behind a brick wall or when they are just starting out and not sure where to start.
Lisa
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First thought .... Apart from the 1841 and 1851, do you have John on any later censuses?
No, forget that. Sorry. I just double checked and he'd probably have died before 1861. If so, do you have his death certificate? Doubtful that you would get further information from it though ...
I'll keep thinking ...
I just ordered his death certificate today, will see what that tells me! thanks,Lisa