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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Limerick => Topic started by: shellback on Wednesday 03 March 10 11:42 GMT (UK)
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Hi, I have recently posted re info on (Rev.) Henry Ross of Castle view ,Limerick . Unfortunately no one was able to help. However if someone could tell me where Castle view is in Limerick I would appreciate it. Thanks.
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I can't find any posts of yours for Henry Ross- what time period did he live at 'Castle view'?
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I think he lived at Castle view in the early to mid 1800s .His son the Rev. George Ross was born in Limerick around 1810 .Henry's wife was, I think ,named Steers .It is likely that i made a mess of my post and it didn't get through to you ,which explains why you couldn't trace it. Sorry for that.
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Still looking for any details on the above .Advise or any help would be appreciated.
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In Griffiths Valuation taken mid 1800s there is a George Ross in Rathkeale
www.askaboutireland.ie
If you could get access to trade directories for Limerick the clergy were always listed so that might help you identify a location.
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If he lived in Limerick City, maybe Castle view was near to King John's Castle at Thomond Bridge. I had a quick look at the 1st edition OSI map (1820s-1840s) but didn't immediately see anything that could match, but there are a few churches etc in the area and also a modern street named Castle Lane nearby. It might be worth a further look - the link is :
King John's Castle, Limerick City (http://ims0.osiemaps.ie/website/publicviewer/main.aspx#V1,557680,657798,8) (click the historic or historic bw option to see the older maps)
the same location on a modern google map : King John's Castle (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Nicholas+Street,+Limerick,+Ireland+(King+John%27s+Castle+(Limerick))&daddr=Limerick,+Co.+Limerick,+Ireland&geocode=FaaqIwMdSml8_yH0rml9lhCJ-g%3BFTGWIwMdq118_ykTUVQfYVxbSDEwczGXqccACg&hl=en&mra=pe&mrcr=0&sll=52.663857,-8.626773&sspn=0.094533,0.316544&ie=UTF8&ll=52.669493,-8.625576&spn=0.002954,0.009892&t=h&z=17)
Shane
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There's a possible listing for George in the ecclesiastical listings for the Established Church in Thom's directory of 1848 :
George Ross incumbent, parish of Killinick, Post town Wexford, Diocese of Ferns
no sign of Henry, but there are 3 other Ross entries all under the Derry Diocese.
Killinick seems to be both a town and a civil/CofI parish and is just to the west of Rosslare town.
Shane
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Thanks Shanew, That George was my GGGrandfather, it's his father Henry Ross or anyone else in his family that I am seeking . I have recently discovered that Henry did not live in Limerick City .His address was Castleview ,near Askeaton County Limerick . Anything on him or any details on Castleview would be appreciated. Thank you .
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I wonder if it could be the George in Rathkeale as I posted earlier? Rathkeale is not far from Askeaton.
However there is the ruin of a castle in the centre of Askeaton town so possibly there was a property called Castle View nearby
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If you do a search on google books for "castle view" +askeaton you will see one of the results is for an entry from Samuel Lewis topographical Directory of Ireland for the parish of Iverus/Iverossa in 1837. The parish is described as being 3 miles north of the town of Askeaton.
The entry mentions some of the 'elegant houses' in the parish and includes 'Castle View of H. Ross esq'. There's no mention of him being a Rev.. the minister for the parish is listed as a Rev. A. Champange.
The link to the page is : Lewis 1837, Iverus/Iverossa (http://books.google.ie/books?id=wqzRAAAAMAAJ&lpg=PA28&ots=7lvv6nBd1x&dq=%22castle%20view%22%20%2Baskeaton&pg=PA28#v=onepage&q=%22castle%20view%22%20+askeaton&f=false)
Shane
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found Castle View on the 1st edition OSI map (1820s-40s), it's in the townland of Beagh, in the Civil parish of Iveruss, and appears to be right on the coast of the Shannon estuary.
see : Castle View, Beagh, Iverus (http://ims0.osiemaps.ie/website/publicviewer/main.aspx#V1,536304,656370,6) (click on the historic or historic bw option)
The red lines on the map indicate the borders of each townland, and the green ones the (civil) parish boundaries.
Shane
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There are several listings on Griffith's for the Ross surname in the townland of Beagh, including a George : Griffith's - George Ross, Beagh, Iverus Parish (http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNameSearch&Submit.x=26&Submit.y=15&Submit=Submit&familyname=ross&firstname=george&baronyname=KENRY&countyname=LIMERICK&unionname=RATHKEALE&parishname=IVERUSS)
I think this is the same one as mentioned by agho earlier, and although the Union (registration district) is Rathkeale, this location is actually quite distant (~20km) from that town, and closer to Askeaton (~7km).
Shane
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thinking about this a bit more, I'm not sure that the George Ross in Limerick is the right person... as the Rev. George Ross, previously mentioned as son of Henry, is listed in his parish in Killinick, Co. Wexford in Thom's 1848, 1850, 1852, 1857,1863 etc and also on Griffth's valuation dated 1853.
see : Griffith's Valuation - Killinick, Wexford (http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNameSearch&Submit.x=35&Submit.y=5&Submit=Submit&familyname=ross&firstname=george&baronyname=&countyname=WEXFORD&unionname=&parishname=KILLINICK)
The Griffith's valuation record for the townland of Beagh is dated 1854.
Shane
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Thanks again Shane and Agho . You're right, it is unlikely to be my George Ross, although he did own some land in the Limerick/Clare area. But do you think it is possible that George in Beagh might be a nephew of Killinick George ?. He did have siblings but I only have one name and that is of his sister Frances Isabella Steers Ross. Thanks again you are a great help.
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Thanks again Shane and Agho . You're right, it is unlikely to be my George Ross, although he did own some land in the Limerick/Clare area. But do you think it is possible that George in Beagh might be a nephew of Killinick George ?. He did have siblings but I only have one name and that is of his sister Frances Isabella Steers Ross. Thanks again you are a great help.
The two other Ross's on Griffith's (George Ross & John Parker Ross) are in the townland of Beagh, which fit's with the Castle View residence.. so I'd say there's a good possibility that they are connected to your Henry & George in some way
Shane
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Hi-
I was searching this site for details of the owner of my house- Castle View House, Beagh, Askeaton, Co Limerick, when I came across your chat about Henry Ross and George Ross. I could see that the gardens here were formally set out in 1829 maps and as our family-Shiers were farmers, and folklore had said the house was used as a rectory, I was delighted to get info on the family who lived here for most of the 19th century. The house is as intact as it was was at that time with some modernisation done. It is a relatively small Georgian house and farm - I could also see that a contact called Shellback was related to this family and he was searching for the house closer to Limerick.
Any other details you may have on this family would be very interesting-J Gardiner
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I would be interested in learning more about John Parker Ross of Castle View as I have been researching various Parker families of county Limerick for many years. I have the following marriages in my notes:
THE CORK MERCANTILE CHRONICLE of 4 Jun 1806 announced the marriage of Henry Ross, of Brenena, near Rathcormuck, in the Co. of Cork, Esq., to Miss Amelia Parker, daughter of the Rev. John Parker, Prebendary of Ballycahane, Co. Limerick.
The marriage settlement is in the Registry of Deeds:
1806: Book 572, Page 566 no. 393334 Rev. John and Amelia to Ross.
Henry and Amelia appear to have been the parents of Frances Isabella Steers Ross who m. Thomas Royse J.P. of Ballinvirick.
So it seems extremely likely that these marriage reports refer to Amelia's parents:
FDJ Tue 6 Mar 1764
married in Limerick, the Rev Mr John PARKER to
Miss STEERES dau of the Rev. Richard STEERES
deceased
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/IRL-LIMERICK/2004-04/1081089299 says
Freeman Journal
Dublin, Ireland
Saturday, March 10, 1764
MARRIAGES.] At Limerick, the Revd. Mr. John Parker to Miss Steers, Daughter of
the late Revd. Mr. Richard Steers.--
Also http://www.irelandoldnews.com/Dublin/1764/MAR.html
Freeman Journal
Dublin, Ireland
Tuesday, March 6, 1764
Limerick, March. ?. This Morning, the Rev. Mr. John Parker was married to Miss Steers, daughter of the Rev. Mr. Richard Steers, deceased; an agreeable young lady with 1200l. fortune.
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There are several relevant Ross obituaries listed at http://www.limerickcity.ie/Library/LocalStudies/ObituariesdeathnoticesetcfromTheLimerickChronicle/Alphabeticallistingsofobituariesdeathnoticesetc/r.pdf
Images of the original newspapers can be found via
http://www.limerickcity.ie/Library/LocalStudies/ObituariesdeathnoticesetcfromTheLimerickChronicle/
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Rev George Ross, Rector of Killinick, Co Wexford was the son of Henry Ross of Castle View. His sister was Frances who married Thomas Royse of Ballinvirick House near Adare. George was born around 1810 and Frances around 1808. I do not know if there were any others in the family and would welcome information. Frances was my gg grandmother and I have information on her descendants if anyone is interested.
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Hi Geraldine The Rev George ross was my gg grandfather. He died in 1884 in Killinick County Wexford. He was Rector there for 40 years but I cannot find his grave and I have searched for it for quite some time now. I can give you more information on the Ross family in wexford if you want it Cheers Jim
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Welcome to RootsChat, Jim :)
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...The Rev George ross was my gg grandfather. He died in 1884 in Killinick County Wexford.
Here's his death record. He died 26 December 1884 aged 76 yrs at Ballyrane on the outskirts of Killinick village.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1885/06295/4804388.pdf
https://www.townlands.ie/wexford/forth/killinick/killinick/ballyrane/
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Thanks for that. I now have quite a lot of information about George Ross's brothers and sisters if you want to get in touch with me.
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...Castle View on the 1st edition OSI map (1820s-40s), it's in the townland of Beagh, in the Civil parish of Iveruss, and appears to be right on the coast of the Shannon estuary.
see : Castle View, Beagh, Iverus (click on the historic or historic bw option)
The old OSi link no longer works.
Try the OSi National Townland and Historical Map Viewer.
Click 'Accept' and 'OK'. Click 'X' in the black band (if applicable). Then select MapGenie 6 Inch Last Edition Black [1829-1841] in Basemap Gallery.
https://arcg.is/0Du9C8
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Hi Kiltaglassan. Thanks for your information on Castle View limerick. It would be the birthplace of my gg grandfather the Rev George ross of St Enochs Church killinick wexford. He died in 1884 at Ballyrane killinick wexford but I'm finding it very difficult to find his grave. He was Rector there at St Enochs for 40 years. Any thoughts on how I could find out about his grave would be great. Cheers Jim
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Hi Kiltaglassan. Thanks for your information on Castle View limerick. It would be the birthplace of my gg grandfather the Rev George ross of St Enochs Church killinick wexford. He died in 1884 at Ballyrane killinick wexford but I'm finding it very difficult to find his grave. He was Rector there at St Enochs for 40 years. Any thoughts on how I could find out about his grave would be great. Cheers Jim
In case it helps, I found a transcript of a memorial/headstone in Cantwell's which mentions the wife of George, Elizabeth Marianne Ross nee Richards who died 1872, it's located in St. Munn's CofI Taghmon, it appears to be a plot for her family as most of the surnames are Richards. She is noted as wife of Revd. G. Ross and 3rd daughter of the Revd. Richard Richards.
Cantwell's usually cut-off his transcripts around 1880, it's possible he would not include a burial for 1884. Taghmon is about 19 km west of Killinick.
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Hi Athacliath62. Yes that lady isthe Rev George's first wife. I have a photo copy of the the tombstone a lot of Richards but he's not on the tombstone. I can't seem to find a record of his burial at all. Thank you so much for your reply it's much appreciated. Cheers Jim
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Burial records for Killinick Church of Ireland are available at the RCB Library in Dublin, these cover back to the 1760s, there seems to be some records for the parish in the National Archives. Early records for Taghmon are listed as lost, but burials from 1877 onward survive, also held by the RCB Library.
I suspect that a burial in Killinick would be more likely.
Killinick graveyard is included in Cantwell's survey but no mention of any Ross, but bear in mind an 1884 headstone might not be included, and also there may not be a headstone..
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Thanks Athacliath62. I think my best bet is the Rcb library in Dublin. I've been inSt Enochs churchyard in killinick to visit my grandfather and great grandfathers grave can't see any sign of the Rev George ross grave although his predecessors grave is visible there. Once again thank you so much for your help. Cheers Jim
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Perhaps he is buried with his second wife and her family.
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No forget that. Henrietta is buried in Folkstone.
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Perhaps he is buried with his second wife and her family.
No forget that. Henrietta is buried in Folkstone.
So, is this the death record for Henrietta from FreeBMD - https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Death Apr-Jun 1910
ROSS Henrietta St Eloy 82 Elham 2a 602
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Not mentioned yet-
George ROSS married Henrietta St Eloy HICKEY on 11 November 1873 at Mulrankin Parish Church, Co. Wexford.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1873/11290/8142122.pdf
Her father William Hickey was also a Clerk (minister Church of Ireland), and she was living at Mulrankin. George Ross's father Henry Finte? Ross was a gentleman.
Mulrankin townland
https://www.townlands.ie/wexford/bargy/mulrankin/bridgetown/mulrankin/
…which mentions the wife of George, Elizabeth Marianne Ross nee Richards who died 1872…
Her death record - 1 June 1872
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1872/020734/7274353.pdf
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…which mentions the wife of George, Elizabeth Marianne Ross nee Richards who died 1872…
Her death record - 1 June 1872
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1872/020734/7274353.pdf
Marriage record - 22 June 1854 - Taghmon, Co. Wexford.
FamilySearch Ireland Marriages, 1619-1898
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGFW-6KR
KG
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The link to the page is : Lewis 1837, Iverus/Iverossa (links NOT working - reply #9)
Samuel Lewis's A Topographical Dictionary of Ireland (1837) for Iverus.
https://www.libraryireland.com/topog/I/Iverus-Kenry-Limerick.php
IVERUS, or IVEROSSA, a parish, in the barony of KENRY, county of LIMERICK, and province of MUNSTER, 3 miles (N.) from Askeaton, on the lower road to Limerick, and on the rivers Shannon and Deel; containing 1884 inhabitants. Its name is derived from Iverus, a Danish commander who sailed up the Shannon, in 824, with a powerful fleet, and after obtaining possession of Limerick founded a church here, on the spot where he had encamped at his debarkation. The parish comprises 2606 statute acres, as applotted under the tithe act: the land is very fertile, and in some places under an excellent system of cultivation. It is embellished with many elegant houses, the chief of which are Ballysteen, the residence of E. Westropp, Esq.; Miltown, of the Rev. A. Champagne; Ballynacourty, of T. E. Davenport, Esq.; Castle View, of H. Ross, Esq.; and Beigh, of the Rev. G. Maxwell; besides many good farm-houses, around which are flourishing orchards.
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Wills and Administrations 1885
Deceased Surname: Ross
Deceased Forename: George
Primary Beneficiary/Executor: Henrietta St Elroy Ross
Date of Death: 26 Dec 1884
County of Death: Wexford
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014900/005014900_00401.pdf
KG
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Thanks Kiltaglassan I wonder what 649 old pounds be worth now. His wife and stepchildren went to England after his death.
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....I wonder what 649 old pounds be worth now.
According to this (https://www.officialdata.org/uk/inflation/1884?amount=649) today's value of ~£649 would be worth just over £103,000.