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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Hampshire & Isle of Wight => Topic started by: janem on Sunday 20 March 05 13:24 GMT (UK)
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I am looking for information on Frederick William John Frecknall and Selina Ann Head.
They were both school teachers and single:Frederick at Hordle in 1881 and Selina in Lymington, at the time of 1881 cencus.
They married in Southampton in June 1881.Their first child Frederick william Claude was born in 1883 in Pennigton schoolhouse.
Frederick Frecknall was born in East Grafton Wiltshire,but there were several Frecknalls that moved into the area and I wonder if there is any link between them.
I cannot find any information about Selinas background.
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Hi
According to the 1871 census Selina A Head aged 12 is the daughter of Stephen and Elizabeth Head. Here is the census details if they are any help
Pennington, Hampshire 1871
Stephen Head head Marr 49 Coal Dealer and Farmer b Boldre, Hants
Elizabeth Wife Marr 50 b Lymington, Hants
Stephen Son 14 Labourer Agricultural b Pennington, Hants
SELINA A Daur 12 b Pennington, Hants
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Anne
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Thank You thats great.
My e-mail is Moderator comment - address removed to prevent spamming. Please use pm facility to swap e-mail addressesThanks again I am really pleased to get this information.
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There are a few HEAD families in Comyn's New Forest, a directory of the residents of Boldre 1817. If you can get one generation further back you may be able to connect to one of them. Most likely - Stephen and Ann nee CLARK of Pilley, youngest child listed was born 1817.
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hello again, I found another claude in the Frecknall family. Our ggg grandfather William's brother John Nelson Frecknall (Frecknell) who is about 8years younger than William, in 1882 married Charlotte Elizabeth Walker and their. son was christened in 1883 in the same year that William Frederick Claude was born or christened . His name was Frederick Charles Claude Frecknell. I wonder if John Nelson Frecknell was a son of the original because it's only two generations on that line by 1883 instead of three on the Frederick William John line. Deoxy
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Hi,I have just found this message...sorry.
Getting mixed up with my William Frecknalls!
My line goes:
William Frecknall married an Elizabeth Nelson died c 1851
William Frecknall b Worksop 1837.I know he had a brother John..but didnt know this was John Nelson.So he married Charlotte Walker and had a son Frederick Charles Claude Frecknall?
Frederick William John B East Grafton Wiltshire 1858
Frederick William Claude b Hampshire b 1883.
Right thanks I will check some cencus info.
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Hi, quite an old post to reply to but I've only just joined so hope you're all still around.
I live in the house in Milford that the Frecknalls (widow William, born in Worksop) and seven of his children lived in 1891. Intrigued to know more about them - a lot of the children seem to die as young adults.
Also, the will of Charles Nelson Frecknall is in the Hampshire Records Office, if that's of interest to anyone!
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Hello, Sorry only just saw these last two posts. Hello Janem and Hampshire Girl. Its interesting to hear from someone living in our relatives house. Could you describe it and the immediate area if you wouldn't mind. I think the place next door on one of the censuses was a brickworks. I'd like to see the will of Charles Nelson Frecknall but I can't get to the records office as I am agoraphobic and I think it's only available on microfiche. I'll be sending away for photocopy of a photograph eventually, from Hants record office of William 1836's son Henry Ernest Frecknall who is in a pamphlet called Lymington Men of Note I think about various public figures. He was the organist and choirmaster at St. Thomas' church there. I'l be back later with more details about the family. I'll be in trouble if I abandon the Sunday dinner...... Regards Deoxy.
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Hi - the house is unusual in that it was one of the first Victorian concrete buildings (and very cold!). The man who built it (Peterson) was a judge in India and interested in their building methods, obviously oblivious to the difference in climate! He built the Sway Tower (aka Peterson's Folly) using the same method - unwashed pebbles from Milford beach. My husband curses him every time he needs to hang a picture on the foot thick walls and half a ton of rubble pours out! Peterson claims to have been influenced from beyond the grave by Christopher Wren but was also a philanthropist and provided a lot of work for local agricultural labourers when farming started to disappear. The house is at the top of a hill half a mile from the sea whereas most of his buildings are in Sway. I often wondered whether they just got fed up lugging the rubble and just dumped it here instead!
It's just a very plain, almost Georgian looking three storey semi. The top floor is an attic room with its own little staircase and probably would have had sea views before the trees got so tall. You can just see the Isle of Wight in the winter. I think most of the cottages around were thatched but they've all but disappeared since this house was built, around the time they were trying to turn Milford into an upmarket holiday resort.
I think before living here they may have been in the old school house, but I don't think it exists any more unless it's been incorporated into the school buildings.
Anyway, hope that's enough! What happened to all the men, they seem to have died quite young.
Enjoy your meal!
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Hello, Sorry for the delay in replying. The kitchen boiler broke down on Sunday and it's taken this long to do the washing up.....! Not really, it just feels like it. Thanks for describing the house and the information about the builder. . William Frecknall b. 1836 Worksop married Ann Selina Reeve (who was born about the same time, Worksop) in Sheffield in 1855. I don't know why the boys seemed to die young. Wiliam's father died age 36 of pulmonary congestion. This usually means tuberculosis but could cover anything that affects the lungs. Their first child was Annie Amelia b. Brentford, Islington and died there in 1857, then they had Wiliam Robert Reeve Frecknall b. 1857 Brentford and died 1874. They had another 7 children. William lived until 1917. Arthur, one of his sons died age 36 and his son (my grandfather) died age 83. Regards, Sandra ;)
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Really interesting to see the replies and to know the house they lived in is still there.
My g grandafther was Williams second son Frederick,b in 1858 in Wiltshire. The first child born in Milford was Henry in 1867.Frederick also became a schoolteacher, in Pennington initially.
Not sure why so many died:I did read there wa a cholera epidemic in Milford in 1892,but also a cousin of mine, a Frecknall, was born with a congenital heart condition.
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In the 1861 census William and Ann were living in Berkshire. William Robert Reeve Frecknall was 3 (died in Lymington age 22), Frederick John Howard Frecknall was 2 and there was a son George Edward Frecknall age 3 months who died in 1863 in Stainsby, Derbyshire. The next child was Florence born in 1863 Stainsby, baptised at Ault Hucknall and died in Lymington in 1925 age 63, Charles Nelson Frecknall born in Stainsby, Derbyshire 1864, baptised at Ault Hucknall, married in Chertsey in 1896, died in 1924, Lymington age 60. Henry Ernest Frecknall born Lymington 1866, married 1888 Lymington. Walter Augustus Frecknall born 1868 Lymington, died Lymington 1884 age 16. Percy Reeve Frecknall born Lymington 1870, married Camberwell 1891, died Lymington 1897 age 27. Arthur Reeve Frecknall, my great grandfather, born 1871 Lymington. married Islington 1890, died South Stoneham 1906 age 36. Maud Agnes R Frecknall born 1873 Lymington who was still living with dad William in 1891 and as far as I know she and Florence didn't marry. I wondered if it might be lung cancer that they died of but I think a congenital heart condition is more likely. I think a few death certificates are needed. Also I inherited a rhesus negative blood group from my Frecknall mother and wonder if it came from the Frecknall line or her mother's side. The photo is of Arthur's son, Harry, my grandfather and my grandmother.