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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: wifeywebb on Sunday 28 February 10 21:17 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
I'm trying to work out the name of this road in Tooting, Surrey.
I think, judging by the T in Thomas, that it begins with a T but then I'm stuck!!
All help most welcome.
Thanks
Paula
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OK, so I've found a second baptism on the same day!! This is a bit clearer, although still means nothing to me
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hi,,have you got the years of birth of the parents,,,maybe we could check the censuses?
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Ellen Rose Jackson was born 1864 in Battersea. Although she says her husband is George James Jackson, she appears to be a widow in various census, and both my cousin and myself have found no evidence that she ever married!!
1901 she's in Godalming.
Paula
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Hi Paula,
It looks in the second image as if the road name starts with an "I". "Iverclie" ???
Have you tried looking through this site to see if anything fits?
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/hitch/gendocs/lonstr_i.html
I can't immediately see anything but I'm not familiar with south London geography! ;) ;D
Cheers
Prue
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To me it looks like is could say Iverchie Road...
justmej
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It looks like Frenchie Road to me. However, there doesn't seem to be a road of this name in the Tooting area, although there is a Franche Court Road...
Ermy
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I agree with justmej, it does look like Iverchie Road but the writer seems to be very accurate with his dots and there is a dot above the word in the first example.
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I agree second looks like Frenchie Rd. The first I think could be Trevelyan Rd. There is one in Tooting. (that means ignoring the apparent 'dot' I know....
Chris
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Could it be Ivanhoe?
Again this means ignoring the dots
There are classic-novel-themed road names in the area e.g. Hereward, Selkirk. I can see a Robinson Rd and a Crusoe Farm on the Old Map site for 1896 ???
:) Barbara
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Thanks for all your thoughts. After looking and looking and............I thought it was Iverchie Road, BUT after speaking to my cousin it appears that one of the other children were born at Trevelyan Road (from BC) Wonder if the vicar used an "i" for a "y"??
Thanks again
Paula
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Just interested and puzzled but isn't the second entry a (5years later) different record of fact, and the entry for the baptism,Dec 1882 'bm' transcribed word for word from the previous....certainly in a different hand.
Perhaps it was the transcriber's best attempt at rendering the 'mystery' address...presumably then Trevelyan??
Is it clear what event was being recorded on May 7th 1897??
Chris
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Oops Careless with my dates again...sorry
Should have said 1892 Dec for baptism and 1899 May for ?
Chris
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Just interested and puzzled but isn't the second entry a (5years later) different record of fact, and the entry for the baptism,Dec 1882 'bm' transcribed word for word from the previous....certainly in a different hand.
Oops Careless with my dates again...sorry
Should have said 1892 Dec for baptism and 1899 May for ?
I think you will find that he was born in 1892 (Birth registered Jan. quarter 1893, Wandsworth 1d 831) and baptised on 7th May 1899.
All the baptisms on the page from which the second extract is taken also contain the date of birth the squiggle above the word December is actually the word 'born'.
And looking at the source of the first extract, the date Dec 27th 1892 appears in the column headed 'alleged date of birth'.
Jennifer
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They were both baptisms on the same day by the same vicar, but the first one in the parish of "the epiphany" Stockwell, and the second in "St Andrews" Stockwell. Can only think the vicar was having an off day and when he took his notes to write up he couldn't remember which church he had baptised poor Thomas in!!!!!
And still not convinced by Trevelyan Road, as nothing seems to fit. I guess it will be "one of those" mysteries.
Thanks again
Paula
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Can only think the vicar was having an off day and when he took his notes to write up he couldn't remember which church he had baptised poor Thomas in!!!!!
Although both entries note the clergyman as John B Sharp, they were surely written by different people.
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I think the actual baptism took place in 'The Epiphany', which was a Mission Church, but has then been copied into the registers of St Andrews, which was the 'mother' church.
The Epiphany is mentioned here http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=49766
and here http://www.southwark.anglican.org/downloads/lostchurches/STO03.pdf
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A note in the margin of the St Andrews Baptism register on the relevant page says 'Epiphany Mission Church'.
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JenB
Thanks fro clarifying that - it makes sense now.
Paula
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Thanks fro clarifying that - it makes sense now.
I only wish I could make a sensible contribution to the problem of the road name >:(
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Looks like fairmile road tooting
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Hi All
I checked the electoral rolls (1898-1900) this morning for the Wandsworth area and no joy unfortunately on the street name. Nor any success on the street name index :-\
Closest I could see was a Franche Court Road but house numbering tailed off in the high 90s and we have no.153 on christening entry.
Monica
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Just wondering why Trevelyan Road 'doesn't fit 'particularly when the Birth cert of another sib gives that address.......
There certainly was a no 153 Trevelyan road in at least later census returns including 1911,( the 1891 has many named not numbered houses, but it was certainly a longish street).
Interestingly in some the handwriting entries the first part of Trevelyan often looks like Frenchie, but the capital letter also looks like the T of Tooting.Looking at an old A to Z not many streets, apart from Franciscan street look long enough for a no 153!
Chris
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With the eye of faith I could make out 'Trevelian' in the first (original) entry.
Possibly the person who copied it out to create the second entry simply couldn't read it, and made a stab in the dark at it, resulting in what we see.
Jennifer
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Monica, many thanks for looking at the electoral rolls.
Chris & Jennifer, I'm certainly curious as to Trevelyn Road. Maybe.......... I can kind of see it.
I've been back and checked the 1891 and the 1901, but both are a no go. (Visiting in 1891 and moved to Godalming by 1901.)
So, not sure where to go with this one now. I think I'll keep looking in the registers to see if it crops up again!!
Paula
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Now why didn't I check for Trevelyan Road yesterday!
I have now and unfortunately no number 153 shows on the electoral roll between 1898-1900 as is the way with these things sometimes :-\
I can't check before 1898 as books covering Tooting for the period before are no longer available due to WW2 damage.
Monica
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Hi Monica,
That really is so kind of you to check again!! I guess it will be "one of those", unless I strike lucky while looking at the baptisms.
Paula