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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Inverness => Topic started by: nikitah on Sunday 28 February 10 12:50 GMT (UK)
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hi I hope someone can help me, I have David Rose born about 1824 married Mary Fraser At Boleskine 1850 I have most names and births for this couples children ,there are a few possabilities for Mary but I can't find anything for David, on his grave it says he died 1907 gardener,of Balnoe Farraline,marriage record does'nt give much away just as above and Mary daughter of Simon, mason, Tomovich? does anyone no anything about this family? I would be very grateful for any info as I've been trying to trace them for many years and don't seem to get any further kind regards Nikitah
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You can view David Rose's death certificate on Scotlands People and this should tell you the name of his parents. I have not got any credits left but doing a search brings up just 1 David Rose died in 1907.
Annette
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Hi, Annette thanks for that, don't know how I mist it I've Got all my Scotish info from Scotlands people and think it's a great site. Many thanks Nikitah
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Hi Nikitah
Having looked at the census David is shown as born circa 1825 in Inverness itself.
The 1841 Census - Chapel Street, Inverness, Invernesshire
David Rose 45 Baker
Alexr. Rose 20 Baker
Magt. Rose 20
Sarah Rose 15
John Rose 15 Clerk
David Rose 15 Clerk
James Rose 14
George Rose 7
(all shown as born in Invernesshire plus remember that ages were rounded down in 1841 Census)
+ 2 female servants
+ 2 male Bakers Apprentices.
Only able to view a transcript. Looked like David senior's wife had already died. Then checked the IGI on familysearch and found:
Alexander Rose bp.11/11/1818 Inverness, son David Rose and Sarah Ormiston.
Margaret Rose bp.22/6/1820 ditto
Sarah Rose bp.24/4/1822 ditto
John Rose bp.6/1/1824 ditto
David Rose bp.12/10/1825 ditto
James Rose bp.20/6/1827 ditto
George Rose bp.27/8/1833 ditto
Cannot find the marriage of David Rose and Sarah Ormiston on that site though.
The 1851 Census showed David senior was bc.1793 Kirkhill, Invernesshire and found:
David bp.2/1/1793 Kirkhill son of John Rose and Ann Fraser
and also found:
Sarah Ormiston bp.6/1/1794 Inverness, dau. of James Ormiston and Margaret MacBey.
Hopefully, the death certificate of David Rose in 1907 should confirm these were his parents.
Good luck.
Annette
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Hi,Annette you are brilliant,If this is the right family you will have solved my problems after 20 years of searching,thanks a million ,will try Scotlands People tomorrow,getting late now and too much to take in before bed. best regards Nikitah
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1851 Census - Boleskine, Invernesshire (Ref. SCT1851/20)
David Rose 28 b. Inverness
Mary Rose 26 b. Boleskine, Inv.
Margaret Fraser sister in law 30 b. Boleskine
Mary Fraser sister (? think transcription wrong and should read mother in law)
64 Formerly Mason's wife b. Dores, Inv.
Margaret Fraser niece 14 b. Boleskine
Think this is Fraser family in 1841 (your Mary and sister Margaret not at home but could well have been working as servants somewhere).
1841 - Tomvoit, Boleskine & Abertarf, Inv. (Ref.SCT1841/92)
Mary Fraser 50 Poor
Alexander Fraser 20 Ag. Lab.
Janet Fraser 20
Margaret Fraser 5
John Fraser 20 Ag. Lab. (all born Invernesshire)
IGI shows:
Simon Fraser and Mary Fraser married 19/11/1803 Dores, Invernesshire
Children - all baptised at Boleskine:
John bp.30/11/1805
Margaret bp.14/3/1810
Hugh bp.1/9/1812
Alexander bp.5/3/1815
Thomas bp.7/4/1817
Janet bp.12/10/1819
Catherine bp.15/3/1822
Mary bp.25/7/1824
Annette
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hi Annette you have been working hard ,Idid have Mary Fraser born 25/7/1824 but this does'nt add up given that on everything I have David is about 2 years older and born in 1825'on their tomb stone she died 11 july 1870 age 45 any thoughts on that? thanks for everything else I'm going to put it all together and get back to Scotlands people as I think I now need to get Simon and Mary's marriage record. best regards Nikitah
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Hi, me again looked on S/P and only other I can find in time range is one born to Simon Fraser and Anne Chisholm at kiltarlity Inverness 26/9 1826 dates might fit and Fathers name but not mothers . regards Nikitah p.s. sorry names came from I.G.I.
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The death certificate of Mary Rose in 1870 clearly shows her parents are Simon Fraser, mason (dec'd) and Mary Fraser, m.s. Fraser (dec).
I note you cannot view David Rose's death certificate for 1907 so you need to order that because only on here will you find the details of both his parents. You cannot take dates given on census as exactly correct unfortunately. You could hypothesise forever about which David Rose baptism is the correct one - in this instance only his death certificate will confirm it for you.
Annette
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Hi Nikitah,
I have just found this thread. I have have Mary Fraser and David Rose in my tree, I'm wondering if you have found out any more? Janet, Mary's sister is my 2x g grandmother as far as I know, I can't seem to get any Fraser DNA matches to confirm I'm on the right track. Do you have a tree on Ancestry?
Marg
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Hi Marg, good to hear from someone in this family line, I haven't done much for while and as you are probably aware , there are that many roads leading to the Frasers then they stop , I don't have a tree on ancestry, my son did a dna with them that made it even more confusing. I have lots of evidence from scotlandspeople I will see what I have , as far as the line for David Rose and Mary goes there aren't many survivors. I will get back to you soon . nikitah.
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HI Marg, I have Janet Fraser Marys sister born12/ 10 1819 daughter to Simon Fraser, mason in Tomvoit and his wife Mary Fraser at Boleskine. Janet was present at the death of her sister Mary Rose , when Mary died age 45 11 December @ Farraline Marys father Simon Fraser mason dec' and mother Mary Fraser ms Fraser also dec. Do you have Janets death after 1870 if you do it should also tell you her parents, My Rose family all seem to have worked at Farraline David as master gardener and Mary as housekeeper / cook, is it possible Janet lived and worked in the same area have you found her on any census? ie in 1881 she would be 62 give or take a year possibly working in service . If you already have all this can you let me know, Don't take anything from anyone elses tree unless there is evidence. Take care nikitah.
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Hi nikitah,
I have Janet in 1881
Name James Fraser (Should be Janet as listed as wife)
Age 60
Estimated Birth Year 1821
Relationship Wife
Spouse's Name Alexander Fraser
Where born Dores G, Invernessshire
Registration Number 96A
Registration district Dores
Civil parish Dores
County Invernessshire
Address Moor Of Errogie
ED 4
Household schedule number 62
Line 14
Roll cssct1881_26
Household members
Name Age
Alexander Fraser 60
James Fraser 60
Alexander Fraser 24
Mary Fraser 18
then in 1891
Name: Janet Fraser
Age: 71
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820
Relationship: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Inverness Shire, Boleskine
Registration Number: 95
Registration district: Daviot
Civil parish: Daviot and Dunlichity
County: Inverness
Address: Wester Aberchalder
Occupation: Out Worker On Pareu
ED: 1
Household schedule number: 5
Line: 19
Roll: CSSCT1891_25
Household Members Age Relationship
Janet Fraser 71 Head
William Rose
30 Lodger
Death cert.
Janet Fraser
Widow of Alexander Fraser - Crofter
d Sept 13 1892
Daviot
72
Father: Simon Fraser - Mason (dec)
Mother: Mary Fraser ms Fraser (dec)
Old Age
I also get my info from Scotslands people.
Is your sons DNA result on Ancestry?
Marg
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Hi Marg, It certainly looks like your on the right trail . My son isn't on ancestry he was given the dna test for Christmas, I might add that he isn't a Fraser he is descended from Jessie (Janet ) Rose daughter of David Rose and Mary Fraser so the Fraser line is a bit diluted, he is on holiday at the moment but I will ask him if I can share it with you. Have you found a death for Simon Fraser Janet and Marys father?. many thanks nikitah
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Hi Nikitah,
I'm still looking, so far the only Simon I have found married to Mary Fraser was a minister, I also haven't found Mary's death as yet. He had to have died at least before 1851.
There are a few on Ancestry one has him dying in Australia (which I doubt) The others at a much later time. Will keep looking.
Marg
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Thank you Marg, you have got me going again, if only i could find something to get my teeth into then I won't let go . Many thanks nikitah