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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Monmouthshire => Topic started by: AussieGaz on Sunday 28 February 10 05:09 GMT (UK)
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A recent discovery in the course of my research is that indirect family came from Wales.
Ellen James King (I am not sure of the maiden name), married a Frederick Dawson King and they lived in Stockton, Wiltshire, where they brought up their family. They had 5 children as far as I can identify - Frances, Frederick,Clarissa, Emilie and Amy.
I do not know if Ellen married Frederick King in Wales or Wiltshire, and I suppose the information above is very vague.
Just thought I would post this on the off chance that a Rootschatterer might be able to fill in a gap for me.
Gaz
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hi gaz do you have fredericks date of birth?
kerry
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Hi Kerry
From the 1881 Census both Frederick and Ellen are aged 43, so that would make their DOB as around 1838.
Gary
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here is fredericks birth
Frederick Dawson King
Year of Registration: 1837
Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Stockbridge
County: Hampshire, Wiltshire
and death
Frederick D King
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Year of Registration: 1911
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 73
District: Stockbridge
County: Hampshire, Wiltshire
kerry
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That is amazing!!!
Thanks for your help and the information.
I know from my Irish research that books are available on gravestones for each County - I will see if similar are available for Wiltshire, and try and identify his burial site, or the cemetery at least.
Thanks for that Kerry.
Gary
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Marriage. Missing letter could make up James.
Jun qtr 1865
Frederick Dawson King 1865 Monmouth
Ellen _Am_S Lloyd 1865 Monmouth
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Thanks for the detective work and what you have suggested and looking at the birth dates of the children, makes sense.
I am away on a business trip until Wednesday, so will have a good look when I return.
Its so exciting getting all of the unknown detail from RootChatterers who have such amazing knowledge and experience.
thanks for your input
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I`m taking a guess that this is the family in 1881, they have a vistor named Lloyd. He could be related to Ellen.
1881 RG11; Piece: 2068; Folio: 82; Page: 37;
Oakfield, Fisherton Anger, Wiltshire
Frederick King 43 Annuitant b Broughton Hants
Ellen King 43 b Monmouth
Clarissa King 14 dau b Reading Berks
Thomas King 12 b Stockton Hants
Emily King 9 ""
Harry Lloyd 7 vistor b Paddington
Frances Roxbee 17 servant b Stockton
1861 Posssibly ??? age and POB matches.
Broughton Street, Broughton, Hampshire
RG9; Piece: 687; Folio: 6; Page: 5;
Thomas King 55 Maltster, form Merchant & farmer of 334 acres employing 10 men and 5 boys b Broughton
Frances King wife 40 b Mitchelmarsh Hants
Frederick King son 23 b Broughton.
Eliza Harrington 23 servant
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Hi there
Thanks for the detailed information that you have given.
Still new to format of information provided - would the Piece/Folio etc refer to references from some repository?
Your guess looks good :) and the DOB ties in with Frederick's information which I have already. I suppose as one gets further back so the assumptions become more of a feature, particularly as the certificates that I have, omit Frederick's parents :(
It it possible to get copies of the relevent certificates, even from a commercial basis?
thanks for your input, the new information and the detective work again.
Gary
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http://www.uk-census.org.uk/
This will explain about the census details.
Birth marrage and death certificates can be ordered from the GRO or as iI prefer directly from the relevant Register Office for the distrist.
The are usually more willing to kake sure you have the correct one, it`s best to give as many details that you are certain of when applying.
Fredericks birth cert will surely give his both parents names.
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Thanks for the pointers and the right direction to aim for.
Will try and start to order the certificates once I am sure I have enough information, as from experience, it can prove to be an expensive exercise ordering the wrong certificates. And especially from Australia!!!!
Much appreciated.
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Ellen Lloyd birth registered Dec qtr 1841
This is likely to be her -
Ellen Lloyd baptised November 22nd 1841 at Penalt Parish Church, daughter of George and Elizabeth Ann. Fathers occupation paper manufacturer, the factory was where they lived in Whitebrook.
Of course you need certificates to confirm all this
They appear on the first page of the 1841 census of Penalt and George and Elizabeth are both said to be 20 and not born in the county, and he was working at the paper mill, so Ellen was their first child.
This paper mill was quite a big employer until modern factories with steam driven machines rather than water mills closed it down and everybody moved on.
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Hi RCB
Thanks for your message out of the blue. I thought that I has exhausted this avenue of research, so your message was great to get yet further information. Will write off and order the certificates if possible to confirm the information.
Appreciate your help & regards
Gaz
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There's a message to the Mods from someone related to this family: Rosemary_Thomson. I will see whether I can direct her to this thread to post herself. (Assuming you're still around yourselves!)
Kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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Ellen, born to George and Elizabeth Ann Lloyd of Whitebrook in 1841 came to New Zealand with her parents on the ship Mary in 1849. She married George Stephenson in Dunedin in 1863. Ellen and George were my great grandparents.
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Welcome, Rosemary!
Let's hope the guys return to this thread - they'll be glad they did!
Kind regards, Arranroots ;)