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Research in Other Countries => Europe => Topic started by: FlowerBD20 on Friday 26 February 10 16:46 GMT (UK)
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Hi, Researching one Otto Monrade Pedersen (Sometimes 'on') b 1851 Norway, on his marriage cert son of Orliff Pedersen. On IGI Norway he is son of Ole Pedersen & Maren Andersen b Trjomo. Would this be Tromso? and can Orliff be Ole? Knowing almost nothing of Norway or Norwegian I need help! Thanks, Flower
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This is a good overview to genealogy in Norway:
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/articles.html
That IGI entry is "submitted" information, so only as good as the research done by the person who submitted the info (which, as they give his birthplace as "Trjomo", I'd take with a pinch of salt).
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/
- he naturalised in 1909, as Pedersen, Otto Monrad, aka Walter Otto Pedersen.
Important things:
Otto Monrad Pedersen, if that was his name at birth in Norway, may have a father Peder.
Or if his father was "Orliff" (Olaus? Olaf? Oluf?), at birth he might have been Otto Olafsen etc.
The name "Monrad" does not appear to be a farm name; it appears in Norwegian censuses as both a first and last name (possibly linked to families who originated outside Norway). "Monrad" could refer to Otto's mother's family, or to his father's, and might not be given as part of his name at birth.
What was his father's occupation on the marriage certificate?
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Hi, Many thanks for that, it was very useful. Orliff was a master mariner.
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If his father was also a mariner then the family may have moved around quite a lot; I can only suggest that you get a copy of the naturalisation papers.
(http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,130042.0.html - there's some information on the first page of this thread about what one rootschat member got in their ancestor's naturalisation records)
If you can confirm his birth date and birth place then it should be possible to find him in the parish records even without knowing if he was "Otto Monrad" or "Walter Otto" or just plain "Otto" at birth.
Forgot to link it before:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/ - censuses, digitised parish registers, and other databases are here.
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Thanks for that. Unfortunately all I have is that he was born 1850/1 in Norway, he says his father is Orliff, a master mariner...does Norway have the equivalent of our maritime records?Flower
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There is some information here:
http://www.mariners-l.co.uk/NorwaySeamenResearch.html
There is also on the Norway archives site a list of seamen from Tromso but I didn't see Otto there (he may have been based elsewhere).
If I were you I would order a copy of the naturalisation records; these may give birthdate, birthplace and parents' names.
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Thanks so much for all that, will do! Flower
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You might consider he came from Tromøy which used to be part of Arendal in Aust Agder.
There is also a users forum on the digital archives Jorose has provided, you might find someone there that might be able to help you. You can post queries in English, just make sure you give all the information you have clearly
As Jorose says he may have moved around a lot and the place he says he was from may not be the place he was born.
Regards, Kaysii
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Hi there, thanks, will investigate further, Flower
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Think I've found his birth. Instead of the above, the place is Tjømø which is a local parish in Nøtterøy.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1256&idx_id=1256&uid=ny&idx_side=-149 (http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1256&idx_id=1256&uid=ny&idx_side=-149)
born on 26 Aug 1850, bapt. 6 Oct. Father Ole Pedersen Byerøe and mother Maren Henri??e (poss Henrietta) Andersdatter
and this is probably the family in 1865 with the mother's name mistranscribed.
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=27&filnamn=f60722&gardpostnr=1029&personpostnr=6049&merk=6049#ovre
The farm they are living on is Burøen which is possibly an alternate spelling of Byerøe.
Regards Kaysii
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A bit more info. There is quite a lot of transcribed records available which makes tracing the family relatively easy.
Ole Pedersen was a widower when he married Maren Henrikke Andersdatter in 1842. His father was Peder Olsen and her father Anders Madsen
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=13&filnamn=Vielser&gardpostnr=116&merk=116#ovre
If you click on the button "same areas" you can see what is available transcribed.
You can find the marriage in the register here.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1256&idx_id=1256&uid=ny&idx_side=-243
You can find Peder Olsen in 1801 here
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=52&filnamn=f18010722&gardpostnr=137&personpostnr=2877&merk=2877#ovre
You can find Anders Madsen in 1801 here
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=7&filnamn=f18010722&gardpostnr=131&personpostnr=2721&merk=2721#ovre (http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=7&filnamn=f18010722&gardpostnr=131&personpostnr=2721&merk=2721#ovre)
You can find the birth of Ole Pedersen in 1802 here
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=56&filnamn=dp07221791&gardpostnr=1309&personpostnr=10466&merk=10466#ovre (http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=56&filnamn=dp07221791&gardpostnr=1309&personpostnr=10466&merk=10466#ovre)
If you click on the page number 88 it will take you to the actual register.
Regards Kaysii
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Hi there, Thankyou so much Kaysii for all your hard work! I am seriously impressed! I have accessed all your links and printed out the material for our family files. Cheers, Flower
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A pleasure Flower.
Hope you have fun exploring further Norwegian records, its great because so much is on-line. It is also very easy to find brothers and sisters of the same parents which might help if you are wanting to research further back. Let me know if you have difficulty following accessing the records, because it should be quite easy to get a bit further back.
I see you have found the debate forums, the Norwegians using the forum are very helpful.
Regards, Kaysii
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Yes, its a wonderful system and I'm learning some Norwegian words as I go along, the 'translate' function doesn't always!Flower
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Changed my mind about deletion, but it would have been nice to know when I started that it wasn't possible as with both Ancestry and Curious Fox it is.
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Well, I see this has not been deleted so will give you an update. Not only found Otto thanks to Rootschatterers and the Norwegian archive but got back to 1641!! A fabulous resource. Am now continuing the search with another branch and have got back to 1696! Any cousins out there?
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Threads don't normally get deleted. It could be of use to another person looking for Norwegian ancestors. It's very interesting. It's amazing really that you've now managed to get such a record together. Pity Irish records weren't kept so well! ;)
You may get some response from anyone interested in the names who does an internet search and finds this thread. It happens quite often.
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Threads don't normally get deleted. It could be of use to another person looking for Norwegian ancestors. It's very interesting. It's amazing really that you've now managed to get such a record together. Pity Irish records weren't kept so well! ;)
You may get some response from anyone interested in the names who does an internet search and finds this thread. It happens quite often.
Really glad that threads do not get deleted as this is a (predicted) late response as a result of an internet search! Thanks for the consideration.
I'm hoping that the initial Otto Pederesen b1850/1 might be the same Otto who was father to Sarah Eleanora born in Liverpool circa 1878 who married Edward Frank Denovan in 1906. If so then I'd naturally be intrigued to learn of ancestry going back to 1600's.
All I can offer in return though is thanks and perhaps 'lineage' from Sarah forward.
Many thanks and regards
Jim
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Post a couple of replies, Jim. Just a smiley (see above) in each will do. Then you will be able to click on a name and send a private message.
It needs three messages on your profile to be able to send them.
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From family search 1881 census (free census) RG11/3592/26/46
Hannah Peterson, 29 b Liverpool, seaman's wife
Henry 7 b Wallasey
Olga M 5 b Wallasey
Sarah E 2 b Wallasey
address: 1 Shaftesbury Cottages, Wheatland Lane, Poulton cum Seacombe, Wallasey, Cheshire
Who was Hannah married to? Possibly
from freebmd
Dec quarter, 1872, Birkenhead vol 8a page 747 (ref index)
APPLETON Hannah
PEDERSON Otto
SMITH Elizabeth Agnes
Tait William
So it's looking very likely.
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Flower (the original poster) has the marriage certificate, so you would only need to tie it in to Sarah's birth certificate, and you have the paper trail.
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Thanks very much silvery - both for BMD information and tip re site functionality. Much appreciated.
I'm greatly encouraged that the Pedersen thread from a bit back will be the correct family as the Sarah Eleanora highlighted in your response was definitely my wife's grandmother and, I understand, Ottoe her husband was at one time a Mersey ferry captain (pilot?).
I'm still a novice in genealogy with less than a month's experience so am very greatful for your help.
Best regards
Jim
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Mu third (hopefully discreet) posting
:)
JIm
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Dear everyone,
First of all a thousand apologies for not replying to the messages sooner but I wasn't notified until yesterday and only received it when I opened my emails today!
To answer some questions, yes this is the family of Sarah Eleanora who married Frank Denovan and yes her parents Hannah Appleton and Otto Monrad Pedersen (more detail on the surname available) did marry, they were my 2x great grandparents. I not only have their marriage cert but Otto's naturalisation papers which prove his date and place of birth and his parents' names. I also have a photo of Sarah 'Grandma Denovan' sent to my brother by a descendant of hers. Just PM me and I'll give details.
The research back to the 1600s is freely available on the wonderful website where the Norwegians have put original images for FREE Oh Yes!! and it was fun to trace so I won't spoil it for you unless you get stuck, then you can post (or PM) a specific question. Good luck and nice to hear from a 'cousin', Marian
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Dear everyone,
First of all a thousand apologies for not replying to the messages sooner but I wasn't notified until yesterday and only received it when I opened my emails today!
To answer some questions, yes this is the family of Sarah Eleanora who married Frank Denovan and yes her parents Hannah Appleton and Otto Monrad Pedersen (more detail on the surname available) did marry, they were my 2x great grandparents. I not only have their marriage cert but Otto's naturalisation papers which prove his date and place of birth and his parents' names. I also have a photo of Sarah 'Grandma Denovan' sent to my brother by a descendant of hers. Just PM me and I'll give details.
The research back to the 1600s is freely available on the wonderful website where the Norwegians have put original images for FREE Oh Yes!! and it was fun to trace so I won't spoil it for you unless you get stuck, then you can post (or PM) a specific question. Good luck and nice to hear from a 'cousin', Marian
Hello, I've just registered on this site as I noticed your postings. Otto is my Great grandfather and Olga Marie my Grandmother. Otto (or Walter) is buried in Rake Lane cemetery in Wallasey (Seacombe being part of Wallasey) so I guess he never moved from Seacombe after he married.
My cousin lived with Olga during her childhood & she has lots of stories and also his Naturalization papers. We have photos of Otto and Hannah with their family and Denovans who I believe owned a pub in Liverpool.
We must be related to each other somewhere down the line :-) If you would like any further info let me know & I'll dig out as much as I have because I've just jumped on the site unprepared and of course I'd be grateful for any info you could give me
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Hello again everyone, Yes we are related (twice), your Olga Maria married John Joseph Hampton, brother of Henrietta / Harriet Hampton who married Henry Walter Pedersen, brother of Olga Maria! I am descended from Elizabeth Hannah, daughter of this second marriage. If you have seen the naturalisation papers of Otto Monrad, you will have found John Joseph Hampton as a witness. Otto/Walter did in fact live in Scotland for a very brief period before returning to the Wirral. Nice to have another cousin! What happened to Jim, are you still wanting info? Love to all, M