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I am seeking information on Joseph Forster born circa 1827 in Allendale, Father John and Mother Ann Robson. Any details of Ancestors and Family will be appreciated.
Regards,
Dennis
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Hello could this be your Joseph??
Same page two John Forsters with wives Ann
1841 H0107/837/32 folio 18 page 3 Allendale, Tindale Northumberland
reg district Hexham
John Forster age 50 all born in county not sure of occupation
Next page
Ann Forster age 45
Ann age 20
John age 15 leadstone? miner
Jane age 15
Joseph age 14 Lead ? washerRobson age 8
Margret age 5
next
Knock? Burner?
Margret Forster age 60 farmer
Simenton ?age 30 lead ?? miner
William age 20
Hannah Rodden? age 20 FS
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John Forster age 45 glogger
Ann age 40
John age 15 Lead ? Washer
William age 13 clogger appr
Michael age 11
Ambrose age 9
Hannah age 7
Joseph age 5
Pam
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Hi Pam,
Thanks for that. It looks promising and I will check it out.
I wonder what is the connection, if any, between the two John/Ann Forster couples?
Regards,
Dennis
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Hi Dennis
I had a quick look at Allendale parish records yesterday (and it was a quick look). Found the following
baptism Joseph Forster 15 Oct. 1826, parents John and Ann, abode Stobs also
baptism Hannah Forster 15 June 1829, same parents, abode Rowning Tree, Stobs.
There is a place called Stobbs Cross in the area so could be that.
There were also two other Jospeth Forsters bap. around that time - one in 1829, parents Joseph and Hannah; the other in 1830, parents James and Mary.
Hope this helps a little bit
Christine
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I have a Thomas Forster/Foster born 1815 in Allendale in my tree. Father was John (gleaned from his marriage cert). Have found two baptisms for Thomas 24/10/13 to father John, mother Ann (Sindrop Shield, Allendale, miner); 25/12/14 to father John and mother Anne (Hagg, Allendale). Thomas married Eleanor in newcastle in 1841 and was father to my great grandfather, John, born in 1842.
Not sure if this could be older brother of your ancestor? I am also sure there is a Joseph Forster in the churchyard of Allendale St Cuthbert's church. I ignored it at the time as I thought my ancestor was definitely a Foster, but now I have found he WAS a Forster in 1941/2 when married... So I will return to churchyard and take more notice! Will let you know. There were also several Forsters in Warden parish nearby, I believe.
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I have found out that John Forster was born in 1789 in Kirkhaugh. He died, probably at Small Burns near carr Shield in 1870 (I have a copy of a photo of him with Small Burns written on the back; the photo says he was aged 80). He married Ann Robson on 03/03/1811 apparently and then went on to have (I believe) my great great grandfather, Thomas in 1813 at Sinderhope (possibly) and Joseph in 1826. John Forster's parents appear to be Thomas Forster and Dinah. Dinah may, big may, be Dinah Moor born 1761 in Knaresdale. Thomas was born in 1754. John 1789 had a brother Thomas born in Rattanrow Knarsdale in 1774. This Thomas had Rebecca 1805, Simonton 1807, Thomas 1810. Joseph 1812, Jane 1814, Margaret 1816 and William 1822. Believe that Thomas 1774's wife may have been a Simonton.
John and Ann had several more children that I am in the process of identifying.
Hope all this helps.
Please do let me know if you ahve any further info.
Many thanks,
R
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Hi,
Thanks for this latest info. Apologies for slow responses at times but I am a full time carer as well as researcher. So thanks to Pam and Christine as well for their earlier input.
I have John Forster dying at 80 years in 1870 at Small Burns so that hangs together.
Following your info I found that Thomas & Dinah had offspring:
1) At Knarsdale, Thomas 28/12/1774, Rebecca 19/04/1778, Jane 30/12/1781 and Joseph 28/12/1783;
2) At Kirkaugh, William 09/04/1786 and John 18 Mar 1789.
For John & Ann Robson I have Children:
Joseph 1811-1822, Thomas 1813, Rebecca 1815-1845, Mary 1818, Ann 1821-1895, Jane 1826, John 1826, Joseph 1827-1902, Hannah 1830-1906, Robson 1833-1918 and Margaret 1836. However, from what Christine contributed earlier some of their Baptismal dates might need refining. I shall try to do that.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Dennis
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Many thanks for that, Dennis. Bits of the jigsaw are coming together. I am hoping to visit Knarsdale and Allendale soon...so long as it doesn't snow. I am also in contact with a possible American connection. I will keep updating. Apologies if there are gaps though between my updates - I am a busy teacher and we have inspectors due any moment!
Best wishes,
Rosamond
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I have just seen details of Smallburns Farm, Carrshield added in the discussion. I live in Smallburns and I am very intrested in the history of the farm. I would love to hear from anyone who has knowledge of our farm and the past families who have lived here.
Many thanks
Debbie.
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How exciting. I am in touch with a lady in the States who is descended, on the Shield family side, from John Forster who lived in Small Burns in 1870 - he seems to have lived there all his life and was quite elderly when he died. I have his death certificate up at home and that of his wife, Ann. They died within a month or two of each other. I am heading home to County Durham at Christmas and so will contact you again when I have certs in front of me. I also have a copy of a photo of, a rather grand, John Forster. unfortunately I cannot prove that he is my great great grandfather as there are a few John Forsters around in Allendale....but strangely, he does look like my late father.
I do come up to Allendale at times, rummaging in graveyards etc and tried to find Small burns but kept missing the turning.
You are very lucky to live in such a beautiful area.
best wishes,
Rosamond
rosamo
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Thankyou Rosamond for your reply. I have lived here for 7 years now. Sounds silly but I often think how hard it must have been from the 1600's to now, how people survived living up here without all the amenities we now are provided with. There is such a huge amount of history in the farm and I have searched the internet for historic photos or archives but seem to come up with nothing. I am very interested in your information. Please do contact when you are next up in the area and for now I will try and find some more information for us to share.
Regards
Debbie.
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Dear Debbie
You living at Small Burns has fired me up a bit on the old research; I had lapsed for awhile but I am fascinated by the lives of the Allendale farmers/miners.
I have been rummaging about and have found the following:
on www.genuki.bpears.org.uk/Allendale/The Whitfields.html Nicholas = Elizabeth 1679, 1 child born at Small Burns
Thomas Whitfield = Elizabeth Walton 6/06/1782 9 children born between 1783 - 1800 at Smallburns and Wolf Cleugh. William son of Thomas and Betty Whitfield was born at Small Burns on 25/04 1783.
From ancestry.com:
Hannah Hethrington was born in 1824 in Smallburns to Robert Hethreington and Sarah Swindale
from Genes Reunited, census:
1841; cannot find who lived at Small Burns but have found it on some documents as Smail Burn
1851: Living at Small Burns Thomas Harrison (unmarried) aged 42, with his mother Hannah (aged 72) and John Armstrong (Farmer's boy) and Mary Armstrong, servant. By 1861 Thomas and his mum were Turney Shield (he was retired farmer by then, aged 52!); servant Jane Armstrong (Armstrongs at 4 High Burns in 1861)
1861: John Forster (possibly my great, great, great grandfather) born Kirkhaugh in 1789; Ann, born 1792 and Margaret born 1837. I know that John and Ann were still there when they died at the end of that decade (precise dates to follow). They were all living at 1 Small Burn. Next door at 2 Small Burns was son, Robson, aged 28 and his wife Hannah, aged 24 and their son John aged 1. Next door again at 3 Small Burns was Joseph (another son) aged 34 and a widower, with his daughter Mary aged 11.
(John Forster and his family (including Joseph, Robson and Margaret) seem to have been at Stob in 1851 and Stable in 1841).
On this census, in 1861, there was also 4 High Burns with the Armstrong family - Jane, widow and her children Mary, Thomas, George, Isabelle; 5 High Burns with Joseph Swindle, Jane and Betsy Swindle; 6 High Burns Isaac Lee and servant Elizabeth Oliver.
Is there a place called Ger Cook/Cock? or Gire Coats near Small Burns as I seem to have seen that somewhere as well.
Swindles/Swindales/Whitfields/ Forsters/Robsons/Viponds/Shields seem to abound in my research.
I tried to attach the photo I have of John Forster but it would not let me as it is too big a file....sorry.
I am semi-retiring soon and hope to make more time for research on the area around Knock Burn and Small Burn as my family seem connected with both farms.
Hope that this helps and I shall keep posting any finds.
Best wishes,
Rosamond
ps as the wind whistles round Small Burns at least some of your ghosts will have names!
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Dear Debbie
Just found:
Joseph Swindale
Illegitimate son of Sarah Swindle and William Williamson born at Smallburn, Ninebanks and baptised 7th January 1821 in Ninebanks, Northumberland
Married Mary Watson on 6th June 1840 at Ninebanks, Allendale, Northumberland
Children
Anne, born 20th March 1841 in Allendale, Northumberland8
Elizabeth born March 1843, buried 2nd May 1843 at Carrshield, Northumberland (from Dyke Nook)
Elizabeth, baptised 7th May 1844 in Carrshield, Northumberland (from Dyke Nook), buried 2nd November 1846 at Carrshield, Northumberland (from Dyke Nook)
William, born on the 3rd of June 1846 in Dyke Nook, Allendale, Northumberland, baptised on the 29th of June 1846 at Limestone Brae Methodist Chapel
??John, born 2/1848 died 3/1848 6
Joseph, born 14th January 1849 in Castleside, County Durham
John, born 29th April 1851 in Castleside, County Durham
Stephen, born 1852 in Castleside, County Durham
Thomas Henry, born 21st April 1855 in Castleside, County Durham
Married Elizabeth Leonard (born 1840) on the 12th of June 1865 in the Register Office in County Durham in 1865 1,4
Children
Robert, born about 17th July, buried 22nd July 1865 at Muggleswick, County Durham7
Jabez, born 24th July 1866 in Castleside, County Durham 4
Sarah, born c. 1867 in Castleside, County Durham
Joseph Charles, born 1870, died 18709
Died 5th May 1869 in Castleside, County Durham, buried on the 8th of May 1869 at St John, Castleside
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Sorry, posted twice!!
Dear Debbie
Just found:
Joseph Swindale
Illegitimate son of Sarah Swindle and William Williamson born at Smallburn, Ninebanks and baptised 7th January 1821 in Ninebanks, Northumberland
Married Mary Watson on 6th June 1840 at Ninebanks, Allendale, Northumberland
Children
Anne, born 20th March 1841 in Allendale, Northumberland8
Elizabeth born March 1843, buried 2nd May 1843 at Carrshield, Northumberland (from Dyke Nook)
Elizabeth, baptised 7th May 1844 in Carrshield, Northumberland (from Dyke Nook), buried 2nd November 1846 at Carrshield, Northumberland (from Dyke Nook)
William, born on the 3rd of June 1846 in Dyke Nook, Allendale, Northumberland, baptised on the 29th of June 1846 at Limestone Brae Methodist Chapel
??John, born 2/1848 died 3/1848 6
Joseph, born 14th January 1849 in Castleside, County Durham
John, born 29th April 1851 in Castleside, County Durham
Stephen, born 1852 in Castleside, County Durham
Thomas Henry, born 21st April 1855 in Castleside, County Durham
Married Elizabeth Leonard (born 1840) on the 12th of June 1865 in the Register Office in County Durham in 1865 1,4
Children
Robert, born about 17th July, buried 22nd July 1865 at Muggleswick, County Durham7
Jabez, born 24th July 1866 in Castleside, County Durham 4
Sarah, born c. 1867 in Castleside, County Durham
Joseph Charles, born 1870, died 18709
Died 5th May 1869 in Castleside, County Durham, buried on the 8th of May 1869 at St John, Castleside
Another bit of teh jigsaw!
rosamond
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Ninebanks Craig marriages
Hannah Craig to Michael Martin, 17 Nov 1767 (children Henry, Mary, Ann, Thomas, Hannah, John, Jane, Sally, Harry)
Joseph Craig of Coal Cleugh widower to Hannah Teasdale of Bongate, Westmorland, widow 14 Aug 1768
Mary Craig of Ashy Bank, East Allendale to Thomas Kirkby curate of Ninebanks, 11 Oct 1770 (Agnes Fothergill Kirkby was bap Nov 22, 1770)
Thomas Craig to Elizabeth Brown, 23 May 1771
Margaret Craig of Coal Cleugh to John Liddle of Paddock House, Allendale, 27 April 1772 (poss. children Joshua and George)
Isaac Craig of Hot House to Margaret Taleford of Haltwistle 20 May 1773 [marriage appears in Ninebanks register, noted marriage occured at Haltwistle]
Thomas Craig of Smallburn to Mary Taleford of Giercoats 12 Feb 1774 (children William 1774, Thomas 1775, James 1779, William 1781 (Millhouse), John 1784 (Millhouse, pauper), Mary 1786, Nancy 1792)
Mary Craig [of Broadlee] to William Burkitt, 12 May 1774
Isaac Craig of Greenlyclough to Margaret Harrison of Greenlyclough 11 Jun 1778
Another mention of Small Burn. this time 1774 and Thomas Craig....
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Hello
Just a short message to enquirer if you are still active in your search ?
I am also descended from the Forster’s living at Smallburns in 1870 and for many years after.
I also worked out his father John was born in 1790 in Allendale and married to Ann Robson, but have not been able to definitively confirm the next generation back. And not sure when they moved to the Stobb ?
Any insights appreciated, thanks
John