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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Pembrokeshire => Wales => Pembrokeshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: jbidaho on Sunday 20 March 05 00:46 GMT (UK)
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I'm looking for Fanny Maria Bowen, born about 1850 in Haverfordwest, daughter of Isaac Bowen. She was living in Kensington in London by 1878, but if someone could look up the 1851, 1861 and 1871 census entries, I'd be grateful.
I can't find any trace of her birth - the only one was in the workhouse, with no details of father. I'm assuming (and probably naively) that as she quoted her father's name at her wedding, he did exist!
Thanks
JB
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Hi JB
There is this one - don't know if she's and probably doesn't help if she is :(
1871
Frances BOWEN servant unm 22 domestic servant b.Haverford in service at 68 Oxford? Street, Swansea - John GRUAR draper.
Rg10/5452 folio 39 page 19
Best wishes
Casalguidi
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Thanks Casalguidi
I'll add that to my information and hope I find that she's the right one somehow!
I don't suppose you could see whether there's an Isaac Bowen (farmer on Fanny's marriage certificate) in or around Haverfordwest?
JB
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Hi JB
No. There were an awful lot of BOWENs in/born Haverford but no possible candidate for Isaac. I am not familiar with the area though so only searched for Haverford.
Best wishes
Casalguidi
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Casalguide
Thanks for trying.
When I first found out about Fanny Bowen, I used the IGI (on printouts then!) and they had put all the Bowens in the same list as the Owens - so I know it's a bit of a needle in a haystack. And if she was illegitimate, there's no real reason to believe her father was in Haverfordwest, I suppose. And I expect his farm could have been miles away...! Perhaps I should give up!
Thanks again
JB
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Hi
Now you know you won't give up! I hope the earlier census turn up something for you :D
I notice that you have Romany connections. So do I - in Kent.
Best wishes
Casalguidi
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Hello !
I had a look on Free BMD for Fanny and found this one - looks promising.
You can order the birth cert if you follow the instructions on the website:
Births Jun 1849
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Bowen Fanny Haverfordwest 26 739
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl
Let us know what you find out !
Cheers
Jocelyn
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Jocelin
Thanks for the reply.
Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure that's the certificate I've got - Birth 26th May 1849 Union Workhouse Haverfordwest - mother Eliza Bowen. No father!
When she was married in 1878 (while living in Kensington, London) she gave her father's name at Isaac Bowen, occupation Farmer.
I did find a Fanny Bowen working as a domestic in Cardiff (?) I think, in the 1871 census with her sister. It didn't get me any further though.
Thanks for taking the trouble to look!
JB
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Hi, jbidaho
I Hope this helps,
1861 St Martin's Haverfordwest.
North Steet
Eliza Bowen Head Um 48 Servant Born Burton Pembroke
Alun Bowen Daugh Um 19 dressmaker born Haverfordwest
Fanny Bowen Daugh Um 11 Scholar Born Haverfordwest.
No Issac in sight!
I will look in 1841 for Eliza in Burton and get back to you
shirleyannmarie
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Sorry No eliza in Burton either in1841 census very illegible and faded,for burton.
shirleyannmarie
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Wow, thanks ShirleyAnnMarie!
I'll have a look to see whether the birth of Alun gives any more information!
Never say Dai, eh! (sorry!)
JB
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Shirleyannmarie
Do you think the older sister's name might be Anne and not Alun?
At first I thought it might have been Alice, which was my grandmother's name, but I've just found a birth to Eliza Bowen of an Anne, in Haverfordwest in 1841 and I can't find a birth on 1837online for an Alun. I'll try for the certificate for Anne and hope for the best!
Thanks for your help
JB
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Hello Jan
I am new to Rootschat and found your request regarding Bowens of Haverfordwest. I am descended from a Bowen family in Haverfordwest - John abt. 1834 had brothers William and Robert. John's parents were William and Eliza Davies (Blaenavon). William's parents were John and Mary. Do you have any connections to a family with these names?
Kidn regards, Heather
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Hi Heather,
This does seem very hopeful!
My great grandmother was Fanny Bowen from Haverfordwest, and gives her father's name as Isaac Bowen on her marriage certificate in 1878. Her age at marriage makes it likely that she's born around 1850. That's as much information as I know - except that she died in 1899 in St Bartholomew's Hospital, London!
Any information you might have would be very welcome!
Jan
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Hello again Jan
I made an error in my last email - John Bowen was born abt 1859. There is no Fanny among the family members that I have listed. William and Eliza migrated to Australia in the 1860s. Both John and his father William were tanners. But I will keep an eye out for Fanny as I delve further into the history of this family.
Regards, Heather
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Thanks, Heather.
I've been searching for Fanny's parents for about 20 years, every so often I chip away a bit more! I really think I should go and visit sometime!
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Please excuse me for joining in.
I note the baptism of 2 Anne Bowen’s in Haverfordwest in 1841 one at H’west St Thomas and one at H’west St Mary.
The IGI suggests full details are 25 Jul 1841 to Eliza Bowen at St Thomas and 02 Nov 1841 at St Mary to Thomas & Prudence Bowen
If it helps I note the baptism of the following:
John Bowen at Rosemarket 1858. IGI suggest full details as 04 Jul 1858 to Michael & Sarah
John Bowen at Llandstadwell 1856 IGI suggest full details as 15 Jan 1856 to Walter & Mary
Robert Bowen at Burton 1852 IGI suggest full details as 12 Dec 1851 to Michael & Sarah
William Bowen at Burton 1854 IGI suggest full details as 24 Dec 1854 to Michael & Sarah
There is no reference to any baptism for these at H’west St Martin, St Thomas or St Mary, so it may be reasonable to suggest that the parents that are of your interest are Michael & Sarah Bowen, who mrd in one of the parishes in the Pembroke Registration District in the 3rd Qtr of 1852
I hope this is of assistance and that you do not mind my small offerings.
Rgds
Orielbenfro
ORIEL a welsh window on a surname
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Sorry to jump in again ~
If my logic is correct (I live in hope) then I believe that the only person that fits your Eliza Bowen was baptised the 25 Jan 1824 at Llanstadwell the daughter of Lettice Bowen.
Did Lettice marry after the birth of her daughter Eliza and I believe the answer is yes and that on the 04 March 1837 Essex Bowen mrd Lettice Bowen at Llanstadwell.
Interestingly whilst looking for Lettice at H’west St Thomas in 1841 I came across Essex Bowen aged 12 yrs at the home of Francis Thomas a Clergyman in Goat St, H’west St Thomas.
The only Essex Bowen I can discover is baptized in 1829 at Nevern, the IGI suggests that the full details are 29 Jun 1829 baptised at Nevern to George & Sarah Bowen. So this just may be a red herring and best forgotten.
Just to cause possible confusion I have a Lettice Bowen aged 20 residing at Llanstadwell with Elizabeth Bowen Ind aged 61, in the 1841, this Lettice can not possibly fit into your requirements.
This looks better
1841 Cants Hill Llanstadwell
Essex Bowen 30 Ag Lab Y
Lettice Bowen 35 – Yes
Martha Bowen 03 – Yes
Mary Bowen 01 – Yes
I would have liked Eliza to be there, but hey we can't have everything done up with a nice pink ribbon.
If you consider that I am on the right lines then I can check circa 1806 for the baptism of Lettice Bowen at Llandstadwell, I have an idea who her parents might be, but only if you agree my findings ~ its up to you really.
Rgds
Orielbenfro
ORIEL a welsh window on a surname
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If one accepts that Michael & Sarah Bowen nee’ Evans are the parents of Robert, Wm & John (you decide), then I believe Michael was baptized at St Ishmaels in 1837. If that’s correct then the IGI shows us 08 Jan 1837 Michael to George & Lettice Bowen baptized at St Ishmaels. In which case I believe George Bowen mrd Lettice Lewis at Hasguard 24 August 1830.
Rgds
Orielbenfro
ORIEL a welsh window on a surname
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Sorry to drop in on your conversation, but i am glad i did, by doing so i have found out it seeems that i have another child of george and lettice bowen (Michael) who i didnt know existed!! thankyou for that information oriel benfro. ;D
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...............another child of george and lettice bowen (Michael) who i didnt know existed!!
Super ~ and welcome to the Forum.
Rgds
Orielbenfro
ORIEL a welsh window on a surname