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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Monmouthshire => Wales => Monmouthshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: leccy on Thursday 25 February 10 11:36 GMT (UK)
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Hi
Could some good soul help with filling some missing information in my family history? I am trying to track back a Cook or Cooke family that would have been living in the Pontypool area in the 1850s.
Information that I have is
Charles Cook b?
Eleanor Cook nee Appleton b?1827
Sampson Cook, b?1852
Patience Cook, b?1855 Pontypool
John Cook, b? 1857
If possible, I'd like to find out where and approximately when Charles and Eleanor were born, as well as if there are any other family members. I'm thinking the 1861 census should help.
I am sure I saw something once, but in the resources that I have I can't find anything useful.
Thanks for any help
Les
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There's a marriage entry on Free BMD for Eleanor Appleton Pontypool Sep 1844 26 134 and Charles Cook is one of 4 possible partners.
The 1841 Census for the Bridgend and Cowbridge Registration District has
Thos Appleton, 1790, (I?) Miner
Ann Appleton, 1791
Ann Appleton, 1821
Mary Appleton, 1823
Eleanor Appleton, 1826
Tabitha Appleton, 1830
John Appleton, 1811 (I? Miner)
Margt Appleton, 1816
Ann Appleton, 1837
James Dando Appleton, 1837
None born in County
Address Cambrian Row, Llangonoyd, Cwinder
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FreeBMD has
Sampson Cook, Dec 1852, Pontypool, 11a 107
Patience Cook, Jun 1855, Pontypool, 11a 136
John Cook, Sep 1857, Pontypool, 11a 130
Census checking from 1851 onwards has drawn a blank to date. Keep you posted
regards
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Really drawing a blank regarding the Cook side of the family. No luck whatsoever and I've checked a range of Censuses - '51, '61, '71. Might they have emigrated?
If the Eleanor Appleton on the '41 Census posted earlier is the Eleanor that married Charles Cook I've been able to find her mother Ann on the '51 Census (now a Widow, Thomas Appleton's death recorded 1848, Mar, Pontypool, 26 140). She's living with her daughter Tabitha - now married to a John Goulding in Garndifath, Trevethin. Can provide further details if required.
John Appleton, born 1811, + family on the '41 Census is on the '51 Census living in Beaufort Hill, Llangattock.
regards
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Mate, that's absolutely brilliant. Diolch yn fawr iawn!
I feel really bad for not mentioning up front that yes, they did emigrate, arriving in Australia in 1862 (or at least Eleanor and the children did. No sign of Charles).
I just had a brain wave. I wonder if by the time of the 1861 census they were already on their way and were on the road or staying in lodgings in London or Liverpool or somewhere.
Can you tell me if the '51 census records the birth place of Ann the mother? That might be something I can follow up on.
Thanks again
L.
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can't see them in 1861, but they may have been on one of the pieces that is missing. They're in Garndiffaith in 1851
Garndiffaith, Abersychan HO107/2449 folio 491 pg 52
Charles Cook head mar 34 coal miner b. Mathern
Ellin wife 26 b. Trevethin
George son 11 coal miner b. Risca
Sarah dau b. Stowe
all places in Monmouthshire
These transcribed parish records
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~monfamilies/trevethinprt.htm
show that Charles was a widower when he married Eleanor. His first marriage to Jane Lyshaw is also transcribed. Charles, Jane & George are in Machen in 1841.
Burials for the Appleton parents are transcribed, but the only Appleton baptism is for a brother of Eleanor's who died young.
There's also an extracted baptism in IGI batch C081291 for Llanelly, Breconshire of Sarah, dau of Thomas & Ann Appleton 22/5/1815.
Ann Appleton's place of birth is given as Broseley, Shropshire and there's an IGI extracted marriage in batch M008701 for Buildwas, just a few miles away, of Thomas Appleton to Ann Boden 5/9/1808.
And baptisms in IGI extracted batch for Broseley C011553 for sons John, 25/3/1810, & George, 9/12/1812, to the couple.
Ann's baptism in same batch 23/1/1791, dau of George & Alice.
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Wow. Thank you so much for all of that. Much more information than I could have hoped for!
I had had all sorts of hints about the family but not quite enough information to join the dots. I think I can do that now.
And just as a final note, one short line there just makes me sad
George son 11 coal miner
11 years old and down the pit. :(
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I've seen younger ones on the 1841 census. But it does bring home the realities of life at the time.
I've had a look around for a baptism of Charles without success so far. I wonder if the witnesses to the fisrt marriage are his brother & sister-in-law
1841 Garndiffaith, Trevethin, HO107/744/8 folio 26 pg 46
John Cook 25 miner
Mercy 25
Samson 4
Mary 2
all born in county
1851, there's not a place of birth noted for anyone in the family. 3 more children including a George.
Charles' 2nd marriage was witnessed by a Sampson Cook. His marriage is also in the transcribed records, father given as George.
1841 Garndiffaith (where else?) HO107/744/8 folio 29a pg 55
Samson Cook 25 collier
Sarah 25
Martha 6 months
all born in county
Sampson's is the only family I can see on the 1861 and they seem to disappear after that & Sampson senior is on the 1880 US census in La Salle county, Illinois.
But this isn't getting me any nearer the various Cook baptisms. They don't seem to be in the parish records, so it could be that they were non-conformist.
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Hi , Just new to this site but saw a connection with the Cook Family.
Charles Cook if he is the same person was born in Machen Monmouthshire in 1816 and christened in 1819 in Risca. He was married to a Jane Lyshaw and had a son George and then remarried Eleanor Appleton and had another daughter Sarah. Charles had a brother Sampson who emigrated to the USA and also another brother John who is my ggg grandfather who emigrated to the Australia.
Have been trying to find out what happened to Charles and his family. Did Eleanor move to Australia ?
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Howdy Toss,
It sounds like we may be distantly related! Perhaps we can cross-check some information?
The info that I have says that Charles and Eleanor had 3 children:
Sampson (1852-1866)
Patience (1855-1931)
John (1857-1939)
I hadn't heard of Sarah before
As for what happened after that, Charles died in 1862 (I believe) and then in 1863-4 the widowed Eleanor took her three children to Australia (arrived Port Melbourne March 1864 on SS Compeer.
I don't know when or where Eleanor died, but I assume it was somewhere in Victoria. Sampson obviously died young and unm. Whether John married or not I don't know.
Patience married a Melbourne architect named William Windas (orig. from East Yorkshire) and they had many children. The most interesting of these (to me) is my grandmother's mother...
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Hi Leccy,
Thanks for the information. My family name is Cook and I have been trying to put the family together for some time ! From what I can gather and as far as I can go back is to ;
George Cook b 1783 Hirwaun Glamorganshire / ? d 1852 Varteg Monmouthshire
He married Elizabeth Roberts in Machen Monmouthshire in 1812
Sampson b 1812
John b 1815
Charles b 1816
Suzannah b 1819
Eliza b 1821
Hester b 1824
George b 1825
Sampson/John/Charles and Suzannah were all christened on 30th May 1819 in Risca Monmouthshire
Sampson b 1812 married Sarah Franks in Trevethin Monmouthshire in 1838 . They had 7 children including another Sampson b 1845 and a George b 1854
they moved to the USA and mainly settled in Colorado where they were silver and quartz miners.
John b 1815 is my line and he married Mercy James in Bedwelty in 1836. They also had a Samson ( but spelt without the "p") he was born in 1837 in Garndiffaith a village just near Trevethin in South Wales and this family moved to South Australia initially and then to the Gold Fields in Victoria and mainly lived in Eaglehawk near Bendigo. He married a Marion Smith in Eaglehawk and the had 7 children. Three called George of which 2 died but they persisted and the 3rd George born in Eaglehawk in 1875 9 he was my great grandfather). They then moved to Broken Hill in NSW where my family came from.
John and Mercy also had a George b 1845 Garndiffaith and he had a son also called Samson b 1873 in Victoria. So it gets very confusing !!!
Charles b 1816 married Jane Lyshaw and had a son George b 1840 Monmouthshire Wlaes, Jane must have died and then Charles remarried Eleanor Appleton and their first child I had was Sarah b 1847 who appears in the 1851 UK Census . I had lost them after this as they don't appear in the 1861 census. It would make sense then that after Charles died Eleanor moved to Victoria with the 3 younger children. I assume that the family may have lived in or around Bendigo at some stage ?? I had found another Sampson Cook in the electoral roll s in Boulder WA ?? if you can connect him .
Great to make contact. Hope this is of some interest if you would like further information let me know !!
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Hey!
I'm going one further back to Charles parents George Cook and Elizabeth Roberts.
Charles was their 3rd son. His older brother John Cook (My relative) lived and married in Trevethin, Wales. Same place as Charles when he married Eleanor Appleton.
John moved to Australia first with his family and Charles and Eleanor moved. They all lived in Eaglehawk for awhile. Sampson died in a mining accident shortly after arriving. Their daughter Patience married William Alexander Windas and raised their family in Victoria while the rest of her the family moved to Merewether, NSW. They were neighbours with the Job and Martha Cleaves in Trevethin Wales, Eaglehawk Victoria, and Merewether NSW at the same time. Charles and Eleanor both died in Merewether. Same as their 3 youngest children John Bowden, Sarah Tabitha and Elizabeth Annie. Who all had their families around the Newcastle Area.
Hopefully you'll see this old post and say hi! I'm guessing there's a a relative of one of the Windas children here. I'm just trying to learn more about my relatives back then.
Also saw someone else related to John Cook. Toss. Down from George Cook + Kathleen Flavin line. Maybe John Edward Cook's Grandson? I had more on Marion Smith's family, since her sister married into the other side of my family, the Cleaves. Hope one day you reply to this forum again.
Sean
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Well hello, quite a blast from the past!
You are quite right. WA Windas is my g-g-grandfather. He was an architect and a bit of a 'man about town' from all accounts. He and Patience met on the Bendigo goldfields and had 3 sons (two of whom died as infants) and 4 daughters. Their third daugher, Vera, is my g-grandmother. She died relatively young (in her 20s) and as a result little was known about this branch of my family.
Incidentially, their youngest and only surviving son, Cedric, moved to America and became an expert on naval history. There is a collection dedicated to his works in the Los Angeles maritime museum. He had two sons but as far as I can tell no grandchildren. And so the Windas line died out. A very long way from Bendigo.
I don't suppose you happen to have any photographs of Charles, Eleanor and their family? I have nothing that far back.
Cheers
L.
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I haven't really any photos from that far back except photos of John and Mercy Cook, his brother and his wife. I'm glad to hear you're still out there. I'm hopping from Todd too. His broken hill is very new to me.
All I have on Charles is where he he was living in Eaglehawk and Newcastle, along with newspaper articles of them. I'm after more photos of those days too.
I've spoken with a closer relative of yours. They have more on your side of the family going way back, I think. You could speak with them if you ever want to learn more about that side, or I can sometime send you what I have on Charles and Eleanor.
Sean