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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Glamorganshire Lookup Requests => Glamorganshire => Wales => Glamorganshire Completed Lookups => Topic started by: suep968 on Wednesday 24 February 10 12:39 GMT (UK)
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I am trying to find a marriage for my great grandma's sister.
On the 1891 census the family are shown as living at milford street family details as follows:
Francis Hurman father born in Germany
Ann Hurman mother born in Hereford
Elizabeth A Hurman 17 born in Middlesex, London (not sure if middlesex is correct, difficult to read)
Alice Hurman 9 born in Cork, Ireland
Fanny Hurmann 4 born in Hereford
Census RG12/4390
On ancestry I have found a marriage for Ellizabeth Annie Hermann in the December quarter 1891 in Cardiff, how can I find out who she married? Can I send for a marriage certificate without a spouses name?
It would appear that all three sisters married in Cardiff but only one actually stayed there.
Sue
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Hi Sue - yes you can order the cert with just the woman's name, as long as you have the reference.
Have you tried to locate them on the next census?
Kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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I have no idea what either of her spouse's names are so have not been able to find anything on the next census. Will apply to GRO with reference details. Thanks. Sue
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No I agree - couldn't find any of the family on the 1901 census - do you know where any of them went?
Just wondering whether Elizabeth would be found nearby.
:)
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Hello Sue
If you take a look at the partners options, they appear to be three women, but if you look at the index ,the top one is a man.
Baker Francis Emil W Cardiff 11a 559
I still can't find them later though.
Steven
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I think I found them, spelling as bad as me,
Looks like 6 Brook St, Llantrisant
Bahr Francis W 1867 Germany
Elizabeth A 1874 London
William F 1893 Cardiff
Florence A 1867 Cardiff
Ernest M 1900 Cardiff
RG 13 Piece 5010 Folio 31 Page 54
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Hi
The census info looks promising. My grandma says that both Elizabeth and her sister Alice moved somewhere in the London area but she has no idea when or why they moved there.
I have a death certificate for the girls mother and it would appear that she was living in Dagenham with her daughter Alice and son in law James Henry Adams at the time of death. Not much help in finding out about Elizabeth, but I suppose she could have been living nearby. Only the youngest daughter Fanny remained in South Wales all her life.
Their father Francis Joseph Hermann is buried at Trealaw Cemetery in South Wales with his baby grandson. There is no-one else buried in that grave. It would appear that Ann Hermann moved to be near either one or both of her elder daughters after his death.
Sue
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Hello Sue
I think the spelling was correct, I found a death for Elizabeth Bahr
Q2 1914 Elizabeth A Bahr 38 Pontypridd 11a 619
Steven
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Interesting, this could explain why the mother moved away to stay with the other daughter. The father Francis Joseph Hermann died in May 1914 and perhaps the death of a spouse and a daughter was too much to bear and the fact that the youngest daughter then had a baby to look after possibly meant she couldn't get enough support to get her through the grieving process if she stayed in Wales.
Sue
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I am going to send for a marriage certificate without the spouse's name and hopefully it will come back as Francis W Bahr.
Sue
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I was just about to say that!
Best for now
Steven
P.S. Emil is a male name too
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Hi everyone
Just to let you know I got the marriage certificate. Elizabeth Annie Hermann married Francis Emil William Baker on the 2nd of October 1891 at the parish church in the parish of Roath S German (not sure whether parish is right, it is difficult to decipher the handwriting) in the county of Cardiff.
I will now go and hunt for them on the census.
Sue
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I think it is the family I found some time ago, I never put the date on, but it's 1901 and they transcribe the family surname as Bahr.
Roath is a Parish I know, but I don't about St German.
Good luck
I think I found them, spelling as bad as me,
Looks like 6 Brook St, Llantrisant
Bahr Francis W 1867 Germany
Elizabeth A 1874 London
William F 1893 Cardiff
Florence A 1867 Cardiff
Ernest M 1900 Cardiff
RG 13 Piece 5010 Folio 31 Page 54
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Found a St Germans Parish Church, near Roath on Google.
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suep968
Are you aware of the marriage registration on FreeBMD of
Elizabeth Ann Hurman, Dec 1893, Cardiff, 11a 582
On the same page Daniel Jones and William James Lewis
regards