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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: Ghobhainn on Saturday 20 February 10 12:53 GMT (UK)
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Hi, this is 1851 census portion of a Mark family at Strathblane, Stirlingshire, Scotland, but I wonder if someone can make out the towns/villages for William Mark, son John & the houseservant. It certainly looks like Tyrone for the county, but the fact that the scots enumerators weren't great at place names, especially Irish, means misspellings, in this case not helped by the poor quality of the original copy. I have considered for William: Ballyclog, for John: Artrea or Arboe, & the houseservant: Donaghedy or Donaghenry. Suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks LS
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I live in Co Down N.Ireland and have been on google maps and turned up Tynan, Killyboley ,Killylea Road and Kiltybegs. Co.Armagh. There is also on line free
National Archives: Census of Ireland 1911.
Hope this is of some help.
Regards
George A.
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Bit confused by your post, George. The scans are hard to read but it's certainly Tyrone not Armagh.
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No what I am saying is that the place on the top line looks like Tynan which is in Co.Armagh and the place names I have mentioned are in and around Tynan.
George A.
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Unfortunately so many Irish townlands/places have the same or similar names.
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At first I thought it was Tynan, perhaps it is. Though the order on the census suggests, County/shire, village/town, Country. The 2year old daughter Mary was born in Stirlingshire, Campsie. For John, it looks somewhat like Aston or Aiton, but I can't find that on google maps. Unfortunately with the 1861 census onwards, no detail is given except place of birth: Ireland. I have looked at the citation on Ancestry, but as always if the originals are not clear, they don't make an effort at interprating the places & names, but write some weird spelling that makes no sense, though I like Ancestry apart from that. Anyway thanks for the input, may be more that have someting to add.
Regards LSmith.
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I enlarged the bits and am fairly certain it is Tyron, ___, Ireland in each case.
First one (William) looks like B_ll___ so might start with Bally/Balli, etc.
Next one (John) starts with 'A'
Third one (Agnes) starts with 'D'
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This is what Ancestry's citation shows. They don't have permission from New Register House Edinburgh to show the actual image. My image was from ScotP.
William ...... Lyron, Bellsclaz, Ireland
John ....... Tyour, Aston, Ireland
Agnes ........ Tyron, Dowmohed, gluland
Pretty strange! I added a more blown up section of the image, but it's probably
not much help, but thanks again for the input. Lindsay
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William ...... Lyron, Bellsclaz, Ireland
John ....... Tyour, Aston, Ireland
Agnes ........ Tyron, Dowmohed, gluland
Not even close!
William- Tyron, B_ll___[ends in g or y?] ,Ireland
John- Tyron, A___, Ireland
Agnes- Tyron, D_____, Ireland
Here's a link to parish maps for Co. Tyrone which list townlands in each parish (scroll down below parish maps to see alphabetcal list of townlands)-
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~tyrone/parishes/tl/clogher_tl.html
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I can't add much to what has gone before, but think a posting to the Tyrone page on this website might be produce a success?
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,78.0.html
Peter
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Been awhile since I wrote in this post. I'm fairly certain for William Mark & son James it's referring to Tyrone, Ballyclog, probably Scots misspelt, as there doesn't appear to be a y. As for other son John's place of birth, probably Artrea or Ardtrea, could be Arboe. But I've have come to the conclusion, that registers for my Mark(s) folk just weren't recorded for some reason in that area for that time period. Sadly can be the case for many other people with brickwalls. I've tried varients such as Markes, Markey, Markahan, Merk, Mirk, even the Scots MacMarquis. Not sure about the Anglicised O'Ryder, I read on Lysaghts surname's is a form of Mark, likely in southern Ireland. My folk were Presbyterian, Ulster Scots. I have noticed two or so on the Brigh pew holder lists, but not enough connective evidence. I think there's many Mark(s) in Antrim, Ballymena. Well that's the way it is. Thanks for the input.
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https://www.townlands.ie/search/?q=artrea