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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: GailS on Friday 19 February 10 00:52 GMT (UK)
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Hi everyone, I sure hope someone can help me......
I am just about tearing my hair out, and my head is going round and round. ;D
Hugh NEIL is my Great Great Grandfather, born Glasgow, Scotland abt. 1830.
On the 1841 census I can see him and his family
John, father 46
Mrs Neil mother 42
John, son 25
Thos, son 20
Robt, son 15
Mary, dau 5
Hugh, son 11
George, son 3
Frances, dau 1 mnth
Eliseo Murton 29 she was a polisher
Elizabeth Dunnan polisher
The family are all listed as born in Lanarkshire, and Father is listed as a bookseller.
According to Hugh's death cert Fathers full name is John Rodger NEIL and Mother's is Mary JOHNSON.
I have looked at later census records and to me it seems that the parents both die as in 1851, George is an orphan and Mary is a "destitute sewer" in the "Glasgow house of refuge for Females"
I would really love to know what happened to the rest of the children, and even if I'm on the right track, and also were there earlier children than John (jnr)
Kind regards,
Gail.
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Could this be John and Mary at Glasgow in 1851? -
John Neill 51 Bookseller
Mary Neill 51
James Neill 18
Mary Neill 16
Frances Neill 10
Isabella Neill 4
41 Sth Albrin (should this be Albion) St
By 1851 it looks like Robert had married Mary and had a few children (sorry IGI down just now so can't check) and is living at Edinburgh.
Robt Neil 26 born Glasgow, Foreman Bookbinder
Mary Neil 28
John Neil 5
George H C Neil 4
Mary Neil 2
Robert Neil un 11mos
Looks like Thomas married a Jane who died and Thomas then moved to London. You'll be able to view his census records at Ancestry.
Regards,
Nel
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Hi cookies4,
Yes you could be right! Thank you.
The census records that I have access to are throught the public library and it is the "Free library edition" I wonder if it is different? As when I looked for them all in the BDM bit it came up with nothing, I will have a look on the IGI and also free BDM.
Kind regards,
Gail.
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Hi Gail
There are no Scottish entries on FreeBmd unfortunately, just covers English and Welsh records. Scottish BMDs are only available through www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk, the official pay to view site for Scotland.
IGI is very good for Scotland and worthwhile checking for entries there first.
Regarding census transcripts, there is no difference between the library edition and the subscription service - maybe Nel had the magic touch ;)
Monica
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Hi Gail,
Hugh Neil's brother Robert was my Great Great Great Grandfather and I have a lot of information on his line of the family.
More than happy to send you what I have, just email me if you're interested.
Regards
Elise
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Hi Elise03,
Oh my gosh, you sure have made my day! ;D
Reading back on my original post, some of that info is wrong, but I guess thats what happened because I made assumptions!
I would be thrilled to have your info, and I would be very happy to share what I have (tho it isn't a lot)
Is it your Robert (and family) who sail on the "Norwood" in 1854? I found on Ancestry
Mary NEIL 36
John 9
George 7
Robert 2
It says they left England for Melbourne,
If you make two more posts we can then use the PM system to exchange e-mail address.
Looking forward to hearing from you,
Regards,
Gail.
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Hi Gail,
Thanks for replying. :)
Yes, that's the family. Robert came out to Australia by himself in 1852 on the ship Aberfoyle then his wife Mary and their three children John, George Holmes Cooper and Robert, came out in 1854 on the ship the Norwood.
Robert came out to the Goldfields near Ballarat in Victoria to a place called Amphitheatre. It's where nearly all the Neils come from and they were one of the first pioneer families in the area.
Elise
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Gail,
Robert Neil (brother of your Hugh) was born in 1825 in Glasgow. He married Mary Cooper in 1844. She was born in (approx)1823 in Ireland.
Robert died in 1900 in Geelong, Victoria and Mary died in 1885 in Collingwood (suburb of Melbourne).
They had 10 children, three of whom died before they immigrated to Australia.
Robert and Mary were married by a Methodist minister in Glasgow so i'm having a lot of trouble trying to locate any birth records.
Anyway, look forward to talking more and sharing the information I have.
Elise
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Dear Gail,
I have just discovered your query, and am also interested in your family - for two reasons. I am a retired Methodist minister and am preparing a Register of all those who have served in the ministry of the Methodist Church in New Zealand, and Hugh had a brief stint as a Home Missionary. I am trying to make my entry as accurate as possible, and wonder whether you can help me. Is Hugh's exact date of birth and of his marriage known - I just have a year for each.
It was helpful to discover the name of his mother - IGI give it as Mary Johnstone, not Johnson.
I try always to have the names and dates for the parents - do you know when John and Mary died. Any basic information on Hugh's career before and after the Home Mission year would be appreciated. If you would like to see the entry as it is so far I would be happy to send it to you.
On a more personal note I well remember William Andrew, and Les - who was a personal friend of my father's from WW1 days. I was interested to see that photograph.
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Hi djamesp,
Gosh what a small world that you knew my Great Grandfather and your Father was a friend of Great Uncle Les, my Mum told me some wonderful stories of Les and her Father (Roger)
I hope I can be of some help to you, but I must apolagize it won't until next week that I can dig out my family records and have a closer look.
I am fairly sure I have Mary and John's deaths, Hugh on the other hand has been harder to pin down for definate, I think I may have only the years also. Have a copy of his marriage cert to Hannah DIXON nee RODGERS if you would like a copy of that.
Hugh was a baker, in Glasgow and NZ and there are some references to him in Papaers past.
I do know he and Hannah are buried in Wanganui, (the city cemetery) but the grave is unmarked.
Also would be happy to supply a copy of his death cert.
I would love any info you have about Hugh, from his photos he looks a kind man, and I get the feeling he and his daughter Frances were very close.
Looking forward to your reply,
Gail.
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Hi I hope someone sees this after so long. I am doing research on the ship NORWOOD 1854 Liverpool to Melbourne. I am hoping to find any details of the journey from personal diaries, Captain James PRICES Journal (if there was one?) I have been able to find one image of the Norwood but would like verification.
I'm trying to look on Lloyds of London as well. A bit daunting!
My ancestor ALEXANDER CHARLES was a 26 (when he purchased his ticket) Year old Stonemason who was born in Farnell/Brechin Forfar in 1828.
I have a copy of the ticket but it is not very clear!
Just trying to add some new leaves to his tree. Kindest regards Dianna
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Farnell/Brechin Forfar in 1828.
Farnell and Brechin are two separate and mutually exclusive parishes in the County of Angus, which is also known as Forfarshire or the County of Forfar. Forfar is another separate parish which includes the town of Forfar.
Alexander was baptised in Farnell, not in Brechin.
He may have found, when he was asked for his birthplace, that the official asking the question had never heard of Farnell, and he may have added something along the lines of 'near Brechin'.