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Title: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: newbe_nz on Thursday 18 February 10 20:54 GMT (UK)
Hi there,

I have an Octavius ENGLAND born abt 1802 and married an Elizabeth unknown born abt 1802
They had the following children
William ENGLAND born abt 1826
Female ENGLAND abt 1830
John ENGLAND 1831
Elizabeth ENGLAND 1835
Joseph ENGLAND 1838
Mary ENGLAND 1843      

All born in Harlestone, Northamptonshire, England

His parents were Thomas Tansur ENGLAND and Anne  BUCKBY

I do not know when his parents died. Thomas was born 1762 and Anne was born 1765

Is there any way I can find more info on this family through census or other avenues

Cheers
Newbe
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: tedscout on Friday 19 February 10 00:35 GMT (UK)
Hi Newbe,

Wish my family was as easy to find as yours has been.

All these records are from the parish register.

These children were baptised in St Andrews Church Harlestone North Hampshire with parents Octavios (carpenter) and Elizabeth

24 Oct 1824 Lucy
29 Dec 1826 William
12 Oct 1828 Catherine
3 April 1831 John
7 April 1833 Elizabeth
29 Nov 1835 Ann
25 Dec 1836 Daniel
17 Jul 1839 Joseph Bunting
26 July 1840 Augustus
25 Dec1842 Mary
21 Sept 1845 Susannah

Octavios Baptism was on 26 April 1801 and his birth is recorded as 25 Dec 1800

Thomas England died in the Union Workhouse Brixworth he was buried on 15 Nov 1846 he was aged 88. He was a carpenter.

Ann England was buried on 27 May 1841 aged 79.

By the way there is some one on Ancestry who has a tree with Octavius and Elizabeth on it - no parents listed but three of the childrenare Joseph Bunting, mary, and Susannah. Their logon name is klm14221. Do you know who this might be?

Cheers Ted
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: newbe_nz on Friday 19 February 10 00:40 GMT (UK)
Hi Ted,

Thanks so much for all this info

I have no idea who that is

A distant cousin has just found this family as Octavius is her 3rd great grandfather but i think that might be out a bit

She has no other info at all

I had none of this info at all till this morning NZ time

Cheers
Newbe
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: tedscout on Friday 19 February 10 00:43 GMT (UK)
Newbe Found Thomas in the 1841 census for you .


Thomas England, 80, Carpenter, born Northamptonshire, England
  
Parish, Harlestone, Nobottle Grove, Northamptonshire
  
Brixworth
 
Living with: (These might be grandchildren bu the 1841 census doesnt have a relationship column so you would only know if you found children of his children)

Samual England 20
Frances England 15
Elizabeth Bowell 14
 
 
 Cheers Ted
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: newbe_nz on Friday 19 February 10 00:59 GMT (UK)
These are Octavius siblings

Thomas ENGLAND 1788
William 1790
James 1791
John 1793
Samuel 1795
Richard 1797
Septimus 1799
Octavius already have dates
Jane 1803
Catherine 1805
Ann 1807
George 1810
Elizabeth 1813
So he had 12 siblings all up

Newbe
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: tedscout on Friday 19 February 10 01:00 GMT (UK)
I cant find Ann on the 1841 Census (still looking)

Did find her death though

Ann England
2nd quarter 1841
Brixworth
Northamptonshire
Vol 15 pg 153


Augustus died at in the same quarter his same volume and page

Cheers Ted
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: newbe_nz on Friday 19 February 10 01:01 GMT (UK)
I cant find Ann on the 1841 Census (still looking)

Did find her death though

Ann England
2nd quarter 1841
Brixworth
Northamptonshire
Vol 15 pg 153


Augustus died at in the same quarter his same volume and page

Cheers Ted

Augustus is one name I do not have

Cheers
Newbe
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: tedscout on Friday 19 February 10 01:13 GMT (UK)
Augustus was baptised 26 July 1840 I have a marriage for him too. He was one of Octavius and Elizabeths children

I love the names Octavius, Augustus and Septimus

I have found all of Octavius's siblings baptisms - do you need the dates?

Cheers Ted
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: newbe_nz on Friday 19 February 10 01:15 GMT (UK)
Yes please and any other info you find would be welcomed

thank you so much Ted

Newbe
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: newbe_nz on Friday 19 February 10 01:19 GMT (UK)
Also need to find the marriage for Octavius ENGLAND and Elizabeth unknown

It would be good to find her surname

I don't like having unknows in my tree

Cheers
newbe
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: tedscout on Friday 19 February 10 01:27 GMT (UK)
The two young Englands on the 1841 census are:

Samuel is son of Septimus

Francis is daughter of Jane who according to the baptism is unmarried no father listed

Elizabeth Boswell is the daughter of Frances and Jeremiah Boswell no proof she is relatied yet

cheers Ted
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: newbe_nz on Friday 19 February 10 01:29 GMT (UK)
Sounds like a bit of digging to do there Ted :D

Thanks again

This is getting more interesting as i do not have anything on his siblings either

Cheers
Newbe
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: tedscout on Friday 19 February 10 01:34 GMT (UK)
The children of Thomas and Ann England

with baptism dates:

Thomas 12 May 1788
William 4 Apr 1790
James 23 Oct 1791
Samuel 31 May 1793
Richard 30 apr 1795
Septimus 24 dec 1797
Jane 9 jan 1903
Catherine 23 june 1805
Ann 8 Nov 1807
George 25 Nov 1810
Elizabeth 25 Apr 1813

Wow there are so many of them.

Cant find a marriage for Octavius and Elizabeth though - if she is born out of the parish they might have got married in her home parish.

Cheers Ted
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: newbe_nz on Friday 19 February 10 01:37 GMT (UK)
Jane England married John Buckby in 1825
They had 3 children
John England Buckby 1826
Jane 1828-1829
Frances 1824

Jane died December 1828 Kibworth Beauchamp, Leicestershire


Newbe

PS: Ann was born in Maidwell, Northamptonshire
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: newbe_nz on Friday 19 February 10 01:37 GMT (UK)
The children of Thomas and Ann England

with baptism dates:

Thomas 12 May 1788
William 4 Apr 1790
James 23 Oct 1791
Samuel 31 May 1793
Richard 30 apr 1795
Septimus 24 dec 1797
Jane 9 jan 1903
Catherine 23 june 1805
Ann 8 Nov 1807
George 25 Nov 1810
Elizabeth 25 Apr 1813

Wow there are so many of them.

Cant find a marriage for Octavius and Elizabeth though - if she is born out of the parish they might have got married in her home parish.

Cheers Ted

Thanks for these dates Ted

Cheers
newbe
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: tedscout on Friday 19 February 10 01:52 GMT (UK)
Wow poor Jane was only 25. :'(

I have found 5 marriages where Octavius is the father

William married Patience York on 14 May 1843
Ann married William Tibbs 8 Apr 1860
Joseph married Sarah Allen 25 Oct 1858
Mary married Samuel Osborne 24 June 1836
Lucy married William York 2 Fe 1843


 ;D Ted
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: newbe_nz on Friday 19 February 10 02:02 GMT (UK)
Thanks for these marriages Ted

I cant find Ann on the 1841 Census (still looking)

Did find her death though

Ann England
2nd quarter 1841
Brixworth
Northamptonshire
Vol 15 pg 153


Augustus died at in the same quarter his same volume and page

Cheers Ted

Just checked back as I was a bit confused

I see Ann is the mother of Octavius who the death relates to

Thanks

Newbe
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: tedscout on Friday 19 February 10 03:12 GMT (UK)
Found two of Octavius and Elizabeths children died as babies

Daniel was 7 months old and was buried 25 May 1837

Augustuas was 10 months old and was buried 19 May 1841


 :-\ Ted
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: tedscout on Friday 19 February 10 03:53 GMT (UK)
Went back to look at the 1841 census

The description of where Octavius and Elizabeth are living is listed as "Middle End" looked at Harlestne with Google maps and it is tiny.

They live next door to a butcher and a tailor so I think they must have lived in the village and not out on a farm.

In the Eunumeration description the census area was as follows:

West of Earl Spencers Wood Yard bounded on the East by Harleston Park and on the west by the Hamlet of New Bottle

http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=51007


If you scroll down you can read the description of the village look for Harlestone (St Andrew) Earl Spencer is mentioned and so is Newbottle.



 ;D Im having fun, cheers Ted
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: tedscout on Friday 19 February 10 04:01 GMT (UK)
In the 1851 census

Elizabeths place of birth is Kislingbury, Northamptonshire.

I dont have any access to these parish registers so you might want to place another topic on this board to see if someone can look there for Octavius and Elizabeths marriage.


 :) Ted
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: tedscout on Friday 19 February 10 04:06 GMT (UK)
In 1851 Octavius and Elizabeth have a granddaughter Elizabeth HEWITT living with them she is 1 her place of birth is Great Billing, Northampshie.

Joseph, Mary and Suzannah are still living with them too

Only marriage I dont have info on is Elizabeths so she could have married a man named ???? HEWITT in Great Billing. Edited to note: Dont have Catherines marriage either

I dont have access to those parish records either  :'(

 ;D Ted
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: tedscout on Friday 19 February 10 04:19 GMT (UK)
Octavius Kids in 1851

Lucy is married to William York he is a blacksmith
they are living in Upper End
with 3 children John, 7, William, 6, and Arthur 3

William is married to Patience he is a Carpenter
they are living in Upper End
with 3 children Rebecca 7, Patienc, 5, and Augustus 1

Cant find Catherine or John

Ann is a servent in the house of William and Mary Elliott

 8)
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: tedscout on Friday 19 February 10 05:00 GMT (UK)
1861


No address for Octavius and Elizabeth, Mary still lives with them there is no job listed for her.

They also have another grandchild with them this time John Hewitt age 8.

Lucy and William are still there with William 16, Arthur 12, Catherine Ann 7, Thomas 4, Elizabeth 1

William and Patience are living in "New Cottages" Rebecca 17, Augustus 11, william 9, Alfred 5, Sarah Ann 2, Enoch 10 months, and Patience a granddaughter 4 months. (I cant find a baptism for this little girl so I dont know who her parents are)

Patience their daughter isnt with them

Cant find John, Catherine or Ann - but I havent looked very hard

 ;D Ted


 ;) Ted
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: tedscout on Friday 19 February 10 05:42 GMT (UK)
1871

Octavius and Elizabeth are living with 2 grandchildren

John Hewitt Grandson 18 Ag Lab
Ada York Granddaughter 13 Scholar b St SepulchreGot that wrong Ada is a Son - presumed because of name oops :-\

Lucy is living with her son John his wife Mary M and Thomas listed as Brother (of John). Lucy is listed as a widow. Cannot find a burial for William and there are 4 deaths registered that could fit on Free BMD.

William and Patience are there with Alfred 14, Sarah A 12, Enoch 10, Rebecca 10 granddaughter (Patience had a name change I think) Elzah 6 and job 2.

Lucy was buried 18 June 1872 so we wont find her in any more censuses.

Octavius was buried 22 Oct 1879 and Elizabeth was buried 26 March 1880.

John Hewitt married Elizabeth Dunkley on 21 Oct 1877. John Hewitts father is listed as John.


1881

William and Patience are there with Job 12 and Albert 9

John Hewitt and Elizabeth are there. John is a carpenter. 3 children Ellen 3, Esher 1, and Elizabeth 5 months.

I hope Octavius and Elizabeth were well enough in their last years to enjoy eithr great grand daughter

 ;D Ted

Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: tedscout on Friday 19 February 10 06:18 GMT (UK)
John Hewitt is Catherines son I have just found his baptism

Catherine and John Hewitt are his parents

Just found Ada Hewitt - he (yes he) got married to Elizabeth Wymer. His father is John Hewitt too.

Brothers ? Whatever happened to the parents cant find either of them? :-X
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: tedscout on Friday 19 February 10 06:36 GMT (UK)
I hope I haven't overwelmed you. And I hope I am still helping

Anyway Im going to keep going because someone out there might want to know this and Im still having fun

Found Catherine Hewitt in 1851 Census

Married to John living in Great Billing with children Ann 3, Asa (son) 6mths and father of John - John Hewitt

 :D Ted
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: tedscout on Friday 19 February 10 06:47 GMT (UK)
oooh I forgot all about Joseph who married Sarah

found them because I went looking for Elizabeth Hewitt. She is living with Joseph and Sara in 1861 with their children Fredrick Bub 1 and Mary Ann 1 month.

Wow I could right a book about this family. A family I knew nothing about when I logged on to Rootschat this morning.

Thanks Newbe for giving me the chance to walk a little while with this very close knit family - wish they were mine I've got rather fond of them.

 ;) Ted
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: newbe_nz on Friday 19 February 10 07:55 GMT (UK)
WOW - So much info since i was at work and just got back home

I am glad you have enjoy this walk with me

Looks like I need to ptint it off so I can go through each one and add the bits I need to

This is exciting ;D  So much in a short space of time and not even 12 hours ;D

Newbe
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: kiwihalfpint on Friday 19 February 10 08:03 GMT (UK)
Wow Newbe,


I have been following this thread all day ...... Ted has been a busy beaver :D


So pleased for you.


Cheers
KHP :D



Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: newbe_nz on Friday 19 February 10 08:08 GMT (UK)
Thanks KHP ;D

One out of two thread isn't too bad I think

This is one lovely lady to give me so much help. Yes I did check and Ted is a lady ;D

Good to strike while the iron is hot so they say ;D

Newbe
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: seahall on Friday 19 February 10 08:51 GMT (UK)
Morning All.

My this takes some reading.

Well done Ted.  :)

From the N.M.I.

Kislingbury
20 Oct 1823

Octavius ENGLAND of Harlestone to Elizabeth BUNTING otp

Sandy      
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: seahall on Friday 19 February 10 08:54 GMT (UK)
Another marriage from same indexes.

Harlestone
16 Feb 1827

John RICHARDS of Sywell to Catherine ENGLAND otp

Sandy
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: newbe_nz on Friday 19 February 10 08:55 GMT (UK)
Thanks so much for that Sandy. That is good news as well


Red alert just came up with the second marriage

Good work ;D

Cheers
Newbe
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: seahall on Friday 19 February 10 09:08 GMT (UK)
Hi Newbe.

Glad to see red alerts are back.

Possible marriage of Elizabeth daughter of Thomas.

As no father listed the original may give clue if correct
on the witnesses. From the N.M.I.

Harlestone
25 Oct 1832

Thomas LIDDINGTON of Silverstone Elizabeth ENGLAND otp

Sandy
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: tedscout on Friday 19 February 10 09:10 GMT (UK)
I had a wonderful day tracking Octavius and his children and siblings let me know what else you want and what direction you want to go in.

Harlestone is such a little village and the England's seem to be there for such a long time.  I havent checked how many Englands are still there but in 1980 there were only 680 people living there.

If anyone is close enough to go there and check out the cemetery I'd like to know who is there.


Got rather fond of Octavius and his family today. I still want to know why Carolines children are with Octavius and Elizabeth?

Hope I helped some Newbe - let me know how you are connected with this wonderful family\
 :)Ted
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: newbe_nz on Friday 19 February 10 09:14 GMT (UK)
Octavius is my second cousin 6 times removed

Thank you so much for all your halp and for Sandy's help as well

Newbe
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: seahall on Friday 19 February 10 09:39 GMT (UK)
Hi Ted/Newbe.

I have been scatching my head in frustration.

I know I have taken all the graves still standing in the
Churchyard. I can not find the cd rom.  >:(

There is no cementry at Harlestone it is too small.

I do not live far away, it is snowing here though so no
chance of visiting again for awhile.

Sandy
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: newbe_nz on Friday 19 February 10 09:43 GMT (UK)
Hi Sandy,

Just when you get a chance will be fine. They are not going anywhere ;D

Newbe
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: seahall on Friday 19 February 10 10:56 GMT (UK)
 ;D  ;D  ;D

The village is very small and I would be suprised if they
were more than 100 folk living there now.

I think they are more than likely taking in the new housing
estates on the outskirts near by.

I am sure when the weather is better we will be able to find
a few graves as there are many in the Churchyard, although
as with a lot in Northamptonshire badly eroded.

Will be in touch, if I forget give me a shout.  ;D

Sandy
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: splodge1952 on Thursday 25 February 10 00:37 GMT (UK)
Hi,
I have just found this thread. Septimus ENGLAND is my ancestor and you might like to have a look at my website where there is a large part of the ENGLAND family tree:

http://homepages.tesco.net/~johnhodges/

Choose Surnames, then ENGLAND and then sheet4 for the family of Octavius. Follow the links back and forward for other parts of the tree. I used to live in Bedfordshire and I was able to spend a lot of time at Northampton Record Office, extracting the ENGLAND entries from the parish registers and then piecing the families together.

I hope this helps,

John HODGES
British Columbia, Canada
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: newbe_nz on Thursday 25 February 10 00:46 GMT (UK)
Thanks for the link.

Will have a good look at it when I get home form work tonight

Cheers
newbe
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: seahall on Saturday 27 February 10 07:18 GMT (UK)
Hi John.

Good to see you here, although now in another country.  :)

Goodness we could have saved alot of time with the England's
knowing of your web site.

The weather here is bad as I am sure you know from our
Northants friends.

I will see if you mention any headstones in a while.

Sandy

Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: seahall on Saturday 27 February 10 07:23 GMT (UK)
Hi again John.

You mention Northampton Cemeteries.

Do you have photo of the headstones or burial information
for some of the families I have seen in your tree at all
(only got to Page 2).

If not I could see what I could find for you and Newbe.

Sandy

Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 27 February 10 07:46 GMT (UK)
Thank you so much for that link John

It is good to see so much more info on the England's

Regards
newbe
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: kiwihalfpint on Saturday 27 February 10 08:00 GMT (UK)
What an excellent turn up for you Newbe.





Cheers
KHP
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 27 February 10 08:03 GMT (UK)
Thanks KHP,
It certainly gives me more info to work on. Will be interesting to see about the headstone photos

I will have a better look at it on Monday as this is one of my days off work ;D

Newbe
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: seahall on Saturday 27 February 10 18:21 GMT (UK)
Hi newbe/KHP  :).

I managed to go to Harlestone today and then it poured.  :) :) :)

Saying that I did mange to take about 200+ graves, now I need to
sort them out.  :)

The Church Warden came along and asked if I wanted to go into
the Church, which I did so I could get a picture of the Font, and
she told me that the organ was donated by the ENGLAND family
which had just been restored.

I will need a while to work out the other family members.

Be in touch.

Sandy
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: splodge1952 on Saturday 27 February 10 18:24 GMT (UK)
Hi Sandy,
Good to hear from you. I am now settled in Canada after taking early retirement in 2008. Weather here is very mild - no snow this winter (down here at sea level) and daffodils are in bloom.
Hi Newbe,
Good to hear from you again too after our BUCKBY correspondence a year or two ago.
I have had a look in my ENGLAND file and I have no photographs or transcriptions of gravestones at Harlestone. I seem to remember visiting the churchyard  there about 20 years ago and being disappointed not to find any ENGLAND gravestones.
I do have some transcriptions of ENGLAND gravestones at Overstone but they are for a more distant branch of the family (ENGLAND sheets 22 and 26 on my website). Let me know if you would like the details.
John

Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 27 February 10 19:33 GMT (UK)
Just take your time Sandy and thanks John for your help as well.

I will PM you my email address so you can send me a copy of the England Line from Ann Buckby and her husband.

Thanks for all your help

Newbe
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: seahall on Saturday 27 February 10 22:21 GMT (UK)
Well I have looked through 360 graves and there are
only a couple readable ones for YORK.

One is HARRIS YORK born to John and Mary M on the 1881 Census
and his wife Gertrude Alice York.

Other is for John York possible son of William York and Elizabeth
on the 1881 Census and his wife Ellen Elizabeth.

Not sure newbe these are of use.

Other surnames I looked for were BOSWELL, BUCKBY, HEWITT, OSBOURE, TIBBS.

Maybe when I can do the other half of the Churchyard it may have
better results.

Sandy

Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: seahall on Saturday 27 February 10 22:24 GMT (UK)
Here is a picture of the Font that the families would have
had their children baptised in.

Sandy
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: seahall on Saturday 27 February 10 22:26 GMT (UK)
And the ENGLAND organ.

Sandy
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 27 February 10 22:27 GMT (UK)
That is so beautiful. Thanks for posting the picture

Cheers
Newbe
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: seahall on Saturday 27 February 10 23:01 GMT (UK)
I will type the inscriptions here in case more rellies come along
to join you and John, Newbe.

IN
LOVING MEMORY OF
JOHN YORK
DIED JULY 1954 AGED 83
AND HIS WIFE
ELLEN ELIZABETH
DIED NOVEMBER 1954 AGED 78

Sandy



Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: seahall on Saturday 27 February 10 23:05 GMT (UK)
Other one.

IN
LOVING MEMORY
OF
HARRIS YORK
DIED 9TH NOV 1959 AGE 80
BLACKSMITH 1900-1959
ALSO HIS WIFE
GERTRUDE ALICE YORK
DIED 27TH DEC 1973 AGE 83
AT REST

Sandy


Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: dianejd on Saturday 27 February 10 23:45 GMT (UK)
Hi Newbe,

I have some information on Octavius England born Harlstone, Northampton, Northamptonshire, England 1801 died 22 Oct 1879 & his wife Elizabeth Bunting. The information I have is for descendants from their son William who was born 1826 in Harlestone and married Patience York. William & Patience had 13 children.
If you would like the information please send me your email address and I will send you a descendant report.
My connection is through Patience York and the York line.

I also have a William England born c 1800 who I believe must be related to Octavius possibly a brother but I am unsure of this. William had a son also called William who married Ann York (sister to Patience). I don't know of any children to this marriage.

regards

Diane
Australia
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 27 February 10 23:51 GMT (UK)
Hi there,

Have sent a PM with my email address

Cheers
Newbe
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: seahall on Sunday 28 February 10 09:04 GMT (UK)
Hi All.

As the weather means I won't be going out I thought I would
list some of the Overstone grave inscriptions.

1.

In Ever
Loving Memory of
ADA ELIZABETH
BELOVED WIFE of
HARRY ENGLAND

WHO DIED SEP 5 1929 AGED 48 YEARS
"UNTIL THE DAY BREAKS"[/center]

Sandy
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: seahall on Sunday 28 February 10 09:10 GMT (UK)
2.

IN LOVING MEMORY OF
A DEAR HUSBAND FATHER & GRANDAD
THOMAS ENGLAND
DIED 2nd JULY 1987
AGED 80 YEARS
AND HIS DEAR WIFE
A BELOVED MOTHER AND GRANDMOTHER
ROSE EVELYN
DIED 2nd OCT 1992
AGED 84 YEARS
RE-UNITED

Sandy
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: seahall on Sunday 28 February 10 09:15 GMT (UK)
3.

IN LOVING MEMORY OF
THOMAS ENGLAND
WHO DIED OCT 20TH 1929 AGED 79 YEARS.

IN LOVING MEMORY OF
ELIZABETH Wife of THOMAS ENGLAND
WHO DIED DEC 15TH 1932 AGED 85 YEARS

Sandy



Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: seahall on Sunday 28 February 10 09:31 GMT (UK)
4.

IN
Affectionate Remembrance
of
HENRY ENGLAND
WHO DIED APRIL 27TH 1885
AGED 75 YEARS

ALSO
ELIZABETH
WIFE OF THE ABOVE
WHO DIED NOV 6TH 1917
AGED 91 YEARS
"THY WILL BE DONE"

Sandy
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: seahall on Sunday 28 February 10 09:40 GMT (UK)
This one has to different families on the headstone.

5.

                                    SACRED
                                        To
                                 THE MEMORY
                                        OF
LUCY                                                  THOMAS
WIFE OF                                             HUSBAND of                                     
THO REYNOLDS                                  SOPHIA ENGLAND
WHO DIED                                          WHO DIED
NOVr 23RD 1858                                 NOVr 11TH 1857
AGED 61 YEARS                                   AGED 84 YEARS

Then a verse                                        Then a verse

Sandy

Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: seahall on Sunday 28 February 10 09:44 GMT (UK)
6.

IN MEMORY OF
SOPHIA wife of
THOMAS ENGLAND
WHO DEPARTED THIS LIFE
JULY 7TH 1849
AGED 78 YEARS

Then a verse

Sandy
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: seahall on Sunday 28 February 10 09:48 GMT (UK)
7.

To the Memory of
REBECCA ENGLAND
Wife of Peter England
who hath left this place
She died 26th Dec 1831
Aged 91

Sandy
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: seahall on Sunday 28 February 10 10:02 GMT (UK)
8.

A wooden cross.

In Loving Memory of
EVELYN EVA ENGLAND
DIED 18 JUNE 2002
AGED 84 YEARS

Sandy
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: seahall on Monday 01 March 10 19:18 GMT (UK)
Hi All,

I went back to  Harlestone today and did manage to find some
family graves.

1.

IN LOVING MEMORY OF
FRANCES SARAH
HEWITT
1894-1977
AND HER HUSBAND
JOHN HEWITT
1893-1984

Sandy
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: newbe_nz on Monday 01 March 10 19:21 GMT (UK)
Well done Sandy and thanks for all your help

Newbe
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: seahall on Monday 01 March 10 19:24 GMT (UK)
2.

IN LOVING MEMORY OF ALICE DEARLY LOVED WIFE OF CHARLES EDWIN ENGLAND
DIED SEPTEMBER 20TH 1949
AGED 67 YEARS

Sandy
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: seahall on Monday 01 March 10 19:30 GMT (UK)
3.

In
Loving Memory
of
BRAYFIELD THOMAS
CASWELL
WHO DIED NOV. 11TH. 1968
AGED 52 YEARS
"Life's work well done"
Also His Wife
JOY nee YORK
WHO DIED AUG. 29TH 1996
AGED 82 YEARS
"God bless you both."

Sandy

Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: seahall on Monday 01 March 10 19:34 GMT (UK)
4.

IN LOVING MEMORY OF
MARY
THE BELOVED WIDOW OF THE LATE
SAMUEL OSBORN
WHO DIED APRIL 25TH 1917
AGED 74 YEARS

MY SUFFERINGS WERE GREAT NO TONGUE CAN TELL
WHAT I ENDURED WHILE I WAS ILL
THE LORD OF MERCY THOUGHT IT BEST
TO TAKE ME TO A LAND OF REST

Sandy
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: seahall on Monday 01 March 10 19:40 GMT (UK)
5.

This one is pretty bad to read.

IN
LOVING MEMORY OF
SUSANNA OSBORNE
WHO DIED JAN ? 1912
AGED 83 YEARS

Sandy
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: seahall on Monday 01 March 10 19:47 GMT (UK)
6.

And this one.

IN LOVING MEMORY
OF
ELIZABETH HEWITT
DIED ??? ?? 1907
AGED 51 YEARS

I can not make out the rest of the inscription.

Sandy
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: seahall on Monday 01 March 10 19:55 GMT (UK)
7.

IN
LOVING MEMORY OF
JOSEPH BUNTING ENGLAND
WHO DIED SEPTEMBER 6TH? 1897
AGED 59 YEARS
GONE BUT NOT FORGOTTEN

Sandy
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: seahall on Monday 01 March 10 20:51 GMT (UK)
8.

IN LOVING REMEMBRANCE
FREDERICK B ENGLAND
WHO DIED JULY ???
AGED 3  ? YEARS

FOLLOWED BY A VERSE I CAN NOT MAKE OUT.

Sandy
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: seahall on Monday 01 March 10 20:59 GMT (UK)
9.

IN
LOVING MEMORY OF
MARY
THE BELOVED WIFE OF
WILLIAM BOSWELL
WHO DEPARTED THIS LIFE MARCH ?? 1900
AGED 75 YEARS
ALSO OF
WILLIAM BOSWELL
BELOVED HUSBAND OF ABOVE
WHO DIED APRIL ?? 1914
AGED 86 YEARS
ALSO
MARIA BOSWELL GRANDAUGHTER
WHO DIED JULY 20TH 1908 AGED 41

FOLLOWED BY A 2 LINED VERSE

Sandy

Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: seahall on Monday 01 March 10 21:01 GMT (UK)
10.

15108 SERJEANT
J.W.YORK
ROYAL FIELD ARTILLERY
13TH JULY 1915

Sandy
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: newbe_nz on Monday 01 March 10 21:04 GMT (UK)
You have been really busy Sandy :D

thank you so much for all these inscriptions

Newbe
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: seahall on Monday 01 March 10 21:05 GMT (UK)
11.

IN
FOND AND CHERISHED MEMORY OF
PATIENCE
THE BELOVED WIFE OF
WILLIAM ENGLAND
WHO FELL ASLEEP OCTOBER 12TH 1898
IN HER 74TH YEAR
ALSO
WILLIAM ENGLAND
BELOVED HUSBAND OF ABOVE
WHO DIED JULY 26TH 1899
AGED 72 YEARS

Sandy


Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: seahall on Monday 01 March 10 21:17 GMT (UK)
Hi Newbe

I am on the last one.

If anyone can fill in the gaps, please do.  :)

12.

JOHN YORK
WHO DIED JANUARY ?? 1891
AGED 47 YEARS
???????????????
MARY MATILDA YORK
DIED MAY 14TH 1931
AGED 87 YEARS
ALSO
THOMAS BADSON? YORK
DIED DECEMBER 6TH 1914
AGED 30? YEARS
ALSO OF
EMMA JANE
DAUGHTER OF ABOVE
WHO DIED OCTOBER 12 1876
AGED 9 YEARS

PEACE PERFECT PEACE

Sandy
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: newbe_nz on Monday 01 March 10 21:19 GMT (UK)
Hopefully John might be able to fill in some gaps

I have PM'ed him my email address for any other info

Cheers
Newbe
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: seahall on Tuesday 02 March 10 06:53 GMT (UK)
Hi newbe.

John has been in touch with me via e-mail.  :)

I will try and sort out the photographs in a week or so
as I will be having a short break from tomorrow.

Glad to have helped where I could and I am sure I
can help further later on too.

Sandy

Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: seahall on Thursday 04 March 10 01:25 GMT (UK)
Hi newbe.

Operation has been delayed so I can sort out the photographs.

So here we go.

Sandy

1.

Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: seahall on Thursday 04 March 10 01:28 GMT (UK)
2.

Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: seahall on Thursday 04 March 10 01:33 GMT (UK)
3.

Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: seahall on Thursday 04 March 10 01:43 GMT (UK)
4.

Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: seahall on Thursday 04 March 10 01:45 GMT (UK)
5.

Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: seahall on Thursday 04 March 10 01:46 GMT (UK)
6.

Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: seahall on Thursday 04 March 10 01:47 GMT (UK)
7.

Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: seahall on Thursday 04 March 10 01:48 GMT (UK)
8.

Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: seahall on Thursday 04 March 10 01:49 GMT (UK)
9.

Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: seahall on Thursday 04 March 10 01:50 GMT (UK)
10.

Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: seahall on Thursday 04 March 10 01:51 GMT (UK)
11.

Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: seahall on Thursday 04 March 10 01:53 GMT (UK)
12.

Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: newbe_nz on Thursday 04 March 10 05:02 GMT (UK)
Thank you so much for those photos. I can see what you mean by that they are hard to read

Newbe
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: tess123 on Saturday 10 July 10 18:30 BST (UK)
Hi,

Octavious England was my gt gt gt gt grandfather.
Bertram (my gt grandfather), son of Augustus, son of William, son of Octavious.

I've been working too hard so far this year and have neglected my family history, so you can imagine my delight at finding all of this new thread had been going on while I was absent!!

Let me know if I can provide you with any additional info from this side of the family.

H
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: splodge1952 on Saturday 10 July 10 22:17 BST (UK)
Hi Tess123,
If you are who I think you are, we corresponded briefly on the ENGLAND family back in 2007 and you sent me a copy of the will of Augustus ENGLAND. If so, hello again. Since then I have moved to Canada but I am still keen on family history.
John HODGES
British Columbia
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 10 July 10 22:25 BST (UK)
Welcome Tess123,

Good to see another member of this  family on here.

Cheers
Newbe
Title: Re: Octavius ENGLAND and family
Post by: tess123 on Sunday 11 July 10 20:29 BST (UK)
Thanks Newbe! It never ceases to amaze me that long dead and distant relatives can bring people together from all around the world.

Hi John, yes I am who you think I am (which sounds far more mysterious and exciting than it actually is!). Glad to hear retirement is keeping you busy and that you are still plugging away at that family history.

Those photo's and inscriptions of the graves were wonderful weren't they. I keep promising myself one day I'll go to Harlestone myself.

take care,
H