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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Suffolk => Topic started by: HowardJ on Thursday 18 February 10 05:43 GMT (UK)
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Am interested to find parentage and further forebears of Mary Bacon, born Mickfield c.1580, married Thomas Bloomfield (b. MIckfield 1576) on 4th Feb 1601 or 1602. Some sites give her wedding year as her birth year, but son Thomas born in 1608.
HowardJ
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Hi HowardJ
According to the marriage records I have for Mickfield is
Thomas Blomefyld & Mary Bacon 4 Feb 1602.
Unfortunately I don't have any Baptism records to view.
Alan
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I checked the Mickfield registers from 1558-1596 but could not see an entry for Mary Bacon, sorry. The writing was quite hard to decipher although I feel I could read it adequately enough to say that the baptism wasn't there.
Anne
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This is the information that I have...if it helps.....
I personally did not research it......
Thomas Bloomfield born c.1576 Mickfield
married
Mary Bacon b. 1578 Mickfield
m 1602 mickfield
d 1646 mickfield
Thomas's father....
Henry Bloomfield b 15 jan 1535 Mickfield
married grace stannard b.1543 mickfield
m 1564
Henry's father
John Bloomfield b 22 march 1511
d 1598 mickfield
married Elizabeth?
b 1512 mickfield
m1532
d 1601 mickfield
Johns father
also John bloomfield
b 1488 bury st edmunds
d1548 mickfield
married anne?in 1510 bury st edmunds
b 1486 ?
d 1561 bury st edmunds
Mary Bacon would have been my 10 x grt grandmother
My own grandmother was a bloomfield before marriage
Hope this helps a little
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Thanks jmc
Yes, I also have this from others. The LDS site (and some others, I think) takes the Bloomfields back another generation to John ca 1488 - 9/8/1548 (Bury St Edmund) m. (1510) Anne (1486 - 14/10/1561, Bury St Edmund). Mary Bacon could be especially interesting because some of the Bacons of Suffolk connect back to Edward III of England, but I haven't been able to make a connection between Mary and the rest of the Bacon clan. I found one attempt to make a connection elsewhere but it doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
HowardJ
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OOO...just got your reply.....Im in western australia and that was my first post.....I feel completely absorbed in this family investigation....would love to know your line...and if you do eventually discover Mary Bacon is a rellie of edward the third...please keep me posted
The four lines I am following....are my 4 grandparents.....Bloomfield...calderwood...campbell and Haworth
We had always been told there was a jewish/and or gypsy heritage in the bloomfield line....but I have found nothing...YET
regards
Justine
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Hi Justine,
Glad to hear from you. You're on the opposite side of the country. The last person bearing the Bloomfield surname in my line was Susan Bloomfield b 1807 Norton SFK, d. 1882 Market Weston SFK. She married William Linge b 1806 Knettishall SFK d 1889. Their grandson, William Bloomfield Linge, moved to Durham to take up farming land. His daughter Jane married Joseph Fisher and they migrated to Sydney in 1928. I am their grandson. Susan Bloomfield was my 3xg gmother.
There are Bloomfields in many places. Some of the Bloomfields went to Massachusetts (MA) in the mid 1600s. One, Elizabeth Bloomfield (b1584), married Thomas Paine in 1610 (both from Wrentham, SFK). They were on board the "Mary Ann" that reached Boston in June 1637, with a brace of kids in tow. It is possible that she was the ancestor of Robert Treat Paine, one of the signatories to the Declaration of Independence in 1776. However there were a few T Paines in the Colony and confusion is easy. Quite a few of the New England states have a town called Bloomfield. There was a Thomas Bloomfield m Mary Withers who left SFK for MA. This couple had nine children, and their children went and did likewise, so the Bloomfields blossomed. I haven't been able to link any of the MA Bloomfields with my lineage (back to John and Anne at the beginning of the 1500s) with certainty. There is another Suffolk Bloomfield line in New Zealand, also doing family history. Hope to share more. Howard
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Hi,
I have a Blomfield tree that I am willing to share but am not sure if posting the link to my personal tree is allowed on here as it is on a free site.
I can not guarantee that it is correct of course.
It does have the BACON family on it BUT not a connection to Mary BACON although she is also on it.
Just thought it may be of interest.
Please PM me if you'd like the link - that probably the safest way of delivering
the info.
These are the BACON's I have on my tree but these are linked in through the Blomfield/Sulyard branch on the Sulyard side not via Mary BACON but by a Dorothy BACON who married a Sulyard.
Anchetal Bacon m. ?
. Grimbaldus of Wetheringsett m. ?
. . Ralph FitzGrimbaldus de Beccen Thorpe m. ?
. . . George FitzGrimbaldus de Beccen m. ?
. . . . Roger Bacon of Wetheringsett m. ?
. . . . . Robert Bacon of Wetheringsett m. ?
. . . . . . Reginald Bacon of Lodie m. ?
. . . . . . . Richard Bacon of Lodie m. Alice Mynston
. . . . . . . . Sir Robert Bacon m. --- de Ingham
. . . . . . . . . Sir Henry Bacon m. Margaret Ludham
. . . . . . . . . . Sir Henry Bacon m. ?
. . . . . . . . . . . Roger Bacon m. Felicia Kirton
. . . . . . . . . . . . Dorothy Bacon m. John Sulyard
. . . . . . . . . . . . Catherine Bacon m. Thomas Astley of Hillmorton
I do not know about a link to ED III but have also been told the Blomfield family are connected to ED I. - I havent discovered a direct link yet!
I do have Plantagenets on my tree BUT I stress this is not a direct link to the Blomfield family but one by marriage links only - followed through because of a suggestion the Blomfields were linked to Margaret Plantagenet...
her son Henry Pole
daut Winifred m Thomas Barrington
son Frances Barrington m Joan Cromwell (relative to Oliver)
seveal generations down Elizabeth Barrington maries into the Blomfield family of Stonham
several generations up Margaret Blomvyle marries into the Barrington family
and even lower down there are (I think) 2 more inter-marriages between the Blomfield and barrington families.
I know as clear as mud but may be of interst to someone - and may help with your BACON link in a round a bout way!
good luck
Yi Win
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Mary Bacon is also in my Blomfield Family Pedigree, Mary Bacon b 1580-Thomas Blomfield 1576 married 1602....same Mickfield Blomfields, so I find this thread particularly interesting..... hello to all :)
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Hi, welcome to rootschat Lady Grace.
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Yi Win I am sure we would all love to see your Family tree, I have put my personal site up here for Blomfields to look at, so I shall join others and wait eagerly to see yours, it sounds exciting! ....there is a place for your link on your profile page, thanks you so much... cheers :)
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Hi - I too am a member of the 'Blo(o)mfield Hunters', as some of you already know. The most recent Blomfield in my family was Eliza Blomfield, born Woolpit, Suffolk 1824. She married Robert Southgate, born 1817, Needham Market, Suffolk, and they are my 3x gt grandparents.
Interestingly, Justine, we also have a family story that there was gypsy blood in the family in either the Southgate or Blomfield line.
I haven't had a chance to check out all the info posted in this thread yet, but shall look forward to doing so when I have a bit of time to spare.
Regards,
Greensleeves
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ah ha - Lady Grace - I notice we have the same family coat of arms!
I will take your advice and go and put in my link!
(wasnt sure if it was allowed on here!!!)
Yi
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PS.
ah ha Lady Grace!
After looking at your link we actually know of each other and have previously been in touch via email!
My link will give you my name! ;)
and that explains why we have the same caot of Arms as well!!!! ;D
Yi
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Re Mary Bacon who married Thomas Blomfield 3.2.1602, I see on my same pedigree, that Anne Blomfield 22/6/1607, daughter brother Henry Blomfield of Mickfield 1535 ( which is my direct line) married one, Thomas Bacon of WINSTON, hmm the plot thickens as there were a lot of Bacons in Winston..maybe someone can link these......as Thomas was a Winston Bacon, maybe Mary Bacon was to? related ?:>)
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Hi,
I too have a few Bacon's on my tree and am assuming somewherre they are all related to each other as the location is local to one another - I've not really looked into the Bacon family much!
I have
Mary Bacon 1560 m Thomas Blomfield
(that'll be Lady Grace's)
Dorothy Bacon m John Sulyard
(both Sulyard and Bacon families connected to Blomfields)
Agnes Blomfield m Thomas Bacon
Catherine Bacon
and then the direct line back
Roger Bacon
Henry Bacon
Henry Bacon
Robert
Richard
Reginald
etc etc....
Most of the 'Norman' familes seemd ot like to 'keep it in the family' if you get me and there are a lot of intermarrying of a few families within and into each other over several generations.
Have fun
Yi
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PS
Lady Grace's Anne Blomfield is my Agnes Blomfield 1607 - Debenham
Anne Blomfield 22/6/1607
Anne and Agnes seem to be interchangable at this time period - either being used.
Yi
PS just for those of you who don't know Lady Grace and I do have the same Blomfields branches on our trees.
Lady Grace (as she says) is decended from the Mickfield Blomfields
and I am decended from the Stonham Blomfields.
It is 'possibly assumed' but not confirmed that John of Stonham (brother of my ancestor) is the founder of the Bury line and produced the Henry of Mickfield line.
Hence a fair bit of Lady Grace's and my tree will be the same.
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Would some kind person like to look up some of the Bacons in WINSTON?, we have a Mary Bacon c 1580 who married our Thomas Bloomfield 1602 , she I think may have been born in Winston as she cannot be found in Mickfield, and a Thomas Bacon c 1600? in ?? he married our Anne Blomfield baptised in 22.6.1607 Denbenham, many thanks :)
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Hi Lady Grace. Interesting suggestion about Thomas Bacon. I did a Google search on "Thomas Bacon of Winston Suffolk" and found one such b 1609 Winston which would be about the right age to be Anne Bloomfield's husband. However I found another site that matches the parents of Thomas given on the first but they don't have a son Thomas. Instead they had other kids and eventually went to Massachusetts (as did many in the Bacon family, it seems). However there is a time gap in the kids given about where Thomas would appear. Unfortunately I didn't find any contenders for the elusive Mary Bacon wife of Thomas Bloomfield.
HowardF
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Thanks very much for that Howard :)
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Hi Lady Grace,
I connected with another website that had Thomas Bacon b 1609 Winston, descended from Sir Edmund Bacon 1420-53 of Drinkstone SFK. Whether this is the Thomas Bacon that married Anne Bloomfield I could not determine. He had seven siblings, at least 5 of whom died in Massachusetts. No further info on Thomas.
Howard J
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Many thanks Howard, its a long but exciting process finding these elusive relations..Grace :)
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Just another item of interest I have found re a Mary Bacon, on my Blomfield/Blomvyle Family tree we have Mary Bacon born c 1580 Mickfield, but no one can find her in Mickfield so that may not be correct..but.. now here's an odd thing, we have her death in c 1646 Suffolk and I found in the Suffolk Witch trials, a Mary Bacon 1645 Suffolk, I presume this date is when when the poor souls were murdered legally, there is also a Nicholas Bacon of Suffolk, how terribly sad and barbaric, I certainly hope it was not our Mary to die that awful way, I think they burnt them didn't they?
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Well thankfully after a little more digging I find this, so its not our Mary, thank heavens for that, the poor souls
"Mary Bacon of Chattisham, wife of Nathaniel Bacon. Both "confessed", Nathaniel's fate is unknown. Mary was hanged 27th August 1645. "
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Lady Grace,
What a grusome discovery - however if all the Bacon family does link up then they are the same family as our Mary.
This is the info I have on ours but it is from somewhere on this forum...
from Rootschat:-
Mary Bacon, born Mickfield c.1580, married Thomas Bloomfield (b. MIckfield 1576) on 4th Feb 1601 or 1602. Some sites give her wedding year as her birth year, but son Thomas born in 1608.
However this is the info I have on Thomas Blomfield....
IGI
Thomas Blomfield Birth: 1576 Mickfield, Suffolk, England
Father: Henry Blomfield Mother: Grace Stannard
Marriages: MARY BACON 04 FEB 1602 Mickfield, Suffolk, England
and from....
Book: Marriages at Withersdale, 1660 to 1837. (Marriage)
Collection: Suffolk: - Registers of Marriages (Various Parishes), 1539-1837
Thomas Blomefyld & Mary Bacon 04 Feb 1602
So we know they wer married in 1602 and we know who his parents are! But alas no further as to Mary's origins!
Yi
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Hi Lady Grace,
I connected with another website that had Thomas Bacon b 1609 Winston, descended from Sir Edmund Bacon 1420-53 of Drinkstone SFK. Whether this is the Thomas Bacon that married Anne Bloomfield I could not determine. He had seven siblings, at least 5 of whom died in Massachusetts. No further info on Thomas.
Howard J
Been following this trail Howard and would say that 99.9% Thomas Bacon married our Annis ( Anne), his birth is c1609 Winston I am following our Annis/Anne Bloomfield 1607 who married a Thomas Bacon, of Winston.... now the only birth I can find that would fit him is c1609 in Winston, which would make him about the same age as Anne, presuming Ann's birth date is 100% correct..now cometh the exciting thing...if....this is indeed our Bacon ancestor, he has a wonderful full Ancestral Family Bacon tree done back to this fellow w Ranauf (Ralph) De BACON (AFN: J6FD-8B) Birth: 1160 <Of, Baconthorpe, Norfolk, England> , I found it on the Mormon Genealogy site last night and thought wow! if it is correct that would be a wonderful thing..! Between Ranauf and Thomas there is a full family tree on the Mormon site, I can't find a marriage, but will look for children that may verify the connection, Howard you mention 7 siblings? where did that data come from, also like you I can find no trace of a marriage, death, or births, so thought they may have gone to America? Thomas's brother Henry has 6 children born in Winston, so the two families appear to be very entwined in that area of Suffolk...
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whoops Howard, have to re phrase that, meant to say Annis/Anne Blomfields brother, Henry Blomfield & Abigail Backlers 8 children were born in Winston Suffolk, so the families were pretty well entwined around that area..:>)
Mary Bacon is still a mystery to date, as I said before she may be a Winston Bacon too...we shall keep searching
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Hi Lady Grace, Have just returned from a visit to Mickfield (and other parts of the UK). St Andrews Church restored and functioning. Sat on pews dating from 1380 where our forebears sat. If you do a search for Thomas Bacon of Winston 1609, you will find several sites that give his parents and siblings, but I haven't found a spouse yet. No further trace of Mary Bacon, except the marriage record from another contributor to this topic.
HowardF
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Wow,
Sat on pews dating from 1380 where our forebears sat
that must have been impressive !
Out of interest where else did you vist?
I am thinking of going to Stonham and Mendlesham.
Any tips on where to stay?
Have fun
Yi
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Hello Yi, Also visited Coney Weston (church open, records available), Hopton (church open), Market Weston, Barningham, (last 2 churches operating but locked), Bury St Edmunds, Knettishall (church renovated as private home - my Linge line came from Knettishall: Wm Linge (1806) m Susan B'field (1804, bap 1807)). Many gravestones stolen while Knet church was in disuse, but found 2 Linges. Mickfield was great: open 7 days, services 7 days, independent of C of E, v friendly retired lay reader in charge, has records from 1588). In Mickfield, church is about the only place to park! At all places most gravestones earlier than early 1800s too weathered to read. All a long way from home in Australia: maybe will visit again in a few years' time and stay longer. Stayed in hotels at Bury St Ed and Thetford: didn't have my laptop for finding accomm and B&Bs a bit sparse in that district. HowardJ
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http://www.archive.org/stream/historysuffolk00ravegoog#page/n12/mode/1up Only a couple of mentions of Bacons, but interesting reading.
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Hello Howard, that all sounds so exciting to me way :)over the other side of the world, lucky you, I do so love the mood and character of old churches,hope you took a lot of pics, pity the gravestones were too weathered to read that could have been interesting,thank you so much for sharing that with us, sounds just all so great, to walk and be where our illustrious and not so illustrious forebears lived, loved and died..marvellous stuff ..Thetford had that come up in our Family charts anywhere? I don't see to recall..yes odd no info for Thomas Bacon who married our Anne Bloomfield, if he does connect to us that family it goes way way back past the Blomvyles they have a great lineage....thanks Howard enjoy :)
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Hi Howard,
Thanks for the info - sounds like you had an interesting trip - and from so far - puts me to shame when I'm only a 7ish hour drive away and havent been yet!
I am currently looking through all the addresses/properties the Blomfields owned and hope to go and visit some of them and spend time in Stonham and Mendlesham which is where my family are from.
Yi
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Hello all, I am a newbie to RC, but finding great info. Thanks. My link to Mary is through my wifes family. Mary is her 10th.GGM coming down through the Bloomfields, to Barkers,Sheppards,Buckley. This is the furthest back I have been able to go on her tree, so the data from you guys is fantastic. We also are based in the Antipodes, (Victoria Aust.)so would love to catch up with any "locals". I know this is an older thread, but hopefully someone will catch this new post.
Regards Alan.
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Most of us have our email alerts turned on so when there's a post we get a message.
We are currently chatting Blomfield's (plus various spellings of) on
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,368591.330.html
thread on Roots chat it may help but it is mainly of Stonham Blomfields but does cover the Newton Flotman branch as well.
and there is a link to a Blomfield tree here....
http://amandahan.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=amandahan&mmg=8327991441&switch=0&rand=433788129
password "storm" for access.
it may help.
Yi
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Hi all...been cruising through this Bacon- Blomfield info again
re this Blomfield/Bacon thread..did anyone manage to find the link...
re the
'Thomas Bacon who married our Anne/Agnes Bloomfield, if he does connect to us that Bacon family it goes way way back past the Blomvyles they have a great lineage.'.....
cheers 8)