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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: haybenshe on Wednesday 17 February 10 12:05 GMT (UK)
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hello, i looking for any information on the mancktelow family. My grandfather's name is Frederick Mancktelow b31/3/11. Any info would be helpful at this stage. Thanks
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closest birth entry I can see - a tad late for a 31/3 birth tho'
Frederick J E Manktelow
Jul-Aug-Sep Quarter 1911 Registration
Mother's Maiden Name shown as Foreman
District of Ticehurst (Kent / Sussex Region)
Register Volume 2b
Register Page 192
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do you perhaps have his marriage papers, showing his Fathers name?
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have just v recently started this search, so have not yet got any papers and not even sure if my grandfather and g/mother's marriage was legal, she was an aboriginal and they had no rights when they married so although approved by the aboriginies board at the time not many records are available am just waiting to hear from national australian archives
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Hi Mort29, I am so new to this game that all of the info you gave me, um sorry to say but it confused me! Where and how did you get this info, and what does it actually mean?? Thanks for your patience.
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had a peep at the latest census that would show him, and allowing to some extent for spelling, the only 2 close names are in Essex, but both are a tad older than your man. (one a year plus, and the other is aged 8 months in the April of that year)
UPDATED: there is a MANKETLOW child with no forename shown in an INSTITUTION in TICEHURST - born 1911
let me know if you find out more, perhaps also an immigration date? You can ask for a search on passenger lists
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I assumed from another thread you posted on that Frederick M was born in England.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,133338.msg3018313.html#msg3018313
The info shown is the English General Records Office Birth Index entry for an individual who is the closest to the date you gave. Births are indexed within a 'quarter' of a year, by District (not actual birthplace), Volume and Page. That info will allow you to order the original paperwork and see full details of parents, place etc.
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Thanks you so much u have been a great help it is getting late here in sydney, almost midnite when i get more info i will let u know thanks again
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given that the Birth entry I saw showed a mothers maiden name of Foreman, with a little digging it can be seen that a Lucy Foreman married a George Mank* in the late 1890s; they can be seen in the 1901 and 1911 census with plenty of kids.
Perhaps the Frederick seen in an Institution was in a hospital or similar, as not with his family ?
altho, (from your other thread) no good link here with a middle name of Douglas :(
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Title
MANCKTELOW FRED :
Service Number - Q89491 :
birth - 31 Mar 1911 :
birth - BRISBANE QLD :
Place - BRISBANE QLD :
Wife or Mother - MANCKTELOW EDNA
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sorted then :D
how us mancktelow's get around lol!. Hi my name is Hayden Mancktelow and i live in Australia and my family is large over here, but we unfortunately know nothing about our family history. It is a bit of a story as to why we know nothing. What i can say is my grandfather who migrated here with his parents sometime in the early 1900's, name is Frederick Mancktelow and if alive would probably be in his 90's or there abouts. Any information would be greatly appreciated at this time. Thank you, cheers
need to tie the threads together - http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,133338.msg3018313.html#msg3018313
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Thought I'd add my bit ... there are MANKTELOWs in my husband's family tree connected to his HOMEWOOD ancestors who were mainly from Brenchley, Kent, England. These MANKTELOWs were from Wadhurst, Sussex and Frant, East Sussex, England C1800s.
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have just v recently started this search, so have not yet got any papers and not even sure if my grandfather and g/mother's marriage was legal, she was an aboriginal and they had no rights when they married so although approved by the aboriginies board at the time not many records are available am just waiting to hear from national australian archives
Hi there,
Do you know which state the marriage would have taken place ? And do you know the district where your g/mother was raised ... Some of the regulations varied from time to time and from place to place, and of course the interpretation of those regulations also varied.... depending on the local "guardianship" boards, some of which were church based ... I have some information about one of several in the Cobar NSW area, where the Board provided guardianship for children of many ethnic backgrounds, many of those children were of aboriginal backgrounds. From my own researching I am aware that some births where one parent was of "European" ethnicity were registered. And I am also aware that the NSW BDM online index has indexed baptisms, marriages, burials for Aboriginals in the Early Church Records ie 1788-1856.
Hope this information helps,
The NSW State Records Office has collections that have involved many dedicated volunteers researching through the archiveal holdings and the collection has been displayed and was recently touring various other archive centres in Australia. If you are interested, I will check back through the newsletters.
Cheers, JM
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Hi there,
NSW BDM online death registration index
23129/1964 District of Auburn
Mancktelow, Frederick Evelyn, son of Albert George and Jessie Evelyn http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/searchHistoricalRecords.htm
A transcript of that record would provide much more detailed information, including any marriage, childen, his mother's nee name and the like.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,300394.0.html
Also the Ryerson Index has several indexed notices for deaths/funerals with the Mancktelow surname
http://www.ryersonindex.org/
Cheers, JM
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Hi there,
NSW BDM online death registration index
23129/1964 District of Auburn
Mancktelow, Frederick Evelyn, son of Albert George and Jessie Evelyn http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/searchHistoricalRecords.htm
A transcript of that record would provide much more detailed information, including any marriage, childen, his mother's nee name and the like.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,300394.0.html
Also the Ryerson Index has several indexed notices for deaths/funerals with the Mancktelow surname
http://www.ryersonindex.org/
Cheers, JM
I don't feel this is the correct Fredreick Mancktelow
as there is a birth in 1895 in QLD that matches the parents names on this death registration
Jenn
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Hello there
It would help us if you could give us a bit more information if you have it.
Do you know where your grandfather was born at all?
there is a birth registration in Qld
1915/39274
Frederick Mancktelow
father Frederick Evelyn mother Ethel Muir
now this indicates the birth was registered in 1915 BUT the birth could have been earlier.
Where abouts did your grandfather live in Australia.
Did he serve in WW2
Jenn
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Hi there,
Jenn's (always ;) )making very good points,
- birth being earlier QLD online births index covers Historical Birth Records (1829 - 1914) .
1915/39274
Frederick Mancktelow
father Frederick Evelyn mother Ethel Muir
now this indicates the birth was registered in 1915 BUT the birth could have been earlier.
Where abouts did your grandfather live in Australia.
Did he serve in WW2
https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/mainMenuSubmit.m?main_menu=IndexSearch
Also, Haybenshe, have you considered any of the old Commonwealth of Australia electoral rolls, as the surname is not nearly as "popular" as say Smith or Brown or Jones ;D so it may be easier to find your Federick Mancktelow if you could let us know at least the state he may have lived in .... It could be that we can find him and others at same address ...
Cheers, JM
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Saw your old post. Did you find the info?
[My husband's mother was Nancy ; sister to your Fred]
Frederick M born 31/3/1914 (brisbane) died 1967; married Edna Madge Delaney 21/12/1939 in Brisbane.
-->His parents were Fred 21/7/1895 (Wallumbilla Qld) - 7/4/1964 (Auburn NSW) & Ethel Muir 18/7/1890 (Paddington Bne) - 14/5/1931
they married 20/12/1913 F.Valley
-->his parents were Fred Samuel 9/3/1861 (Toowoomba) - 5/5/1941 (Twba)
& Jessie Eveline Smith 15/1/1877 (Surrey England) -18/5/1961 (Sydney)
Fred Samuel's parents, Thomas & Eliza came from Kent.